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Ish wrote: In his Second Apology he says: " And I despised the wicked and deceitful doctrine of Simon of my own nation. And if you give this book your authority, we will expose him before all....." The amusing point here is that Justin Martyr only started his own school of Christianity in ...

Looks like a Sumo wrestler - or a Hawaian

Not rejecting - just saying the possibilities exist. Also - their assessments do indicate that there was more than one writing - don't they?

Ishtar wrote: We know Moses and the christ existed in their stories before 1 CE because it was at the core of Philo of Alexandria's teaching. True - but we do not know what was written about Moses in the OT was actually written that way in the original writings. We can only know what was written aft...

So we don't really know (also) what the Jewish ideas of a messiah were - if any. Even their whole history could have been made up at that point and related to the Caananites. The possibilities exist for them to have had the same idea for a messiah, no idea for a messiah, or a totally different idea ...

/grovelling while snitching pieces of burnt offerings (yummmm)!

Oh shit - now we're in for it

So - hmm - basically we can't really say the OT the way "we" know it is anything other than re-written during a greek influence - in other words it could even be made up or rewritten to suit the greeks from that time. We don't really know what - if any - was really Jewish mythology prior t...

Are there any actual Jewish writings prior to the Machabees?

Wow - server went BOOM! Wha happen? Did we tick off the gods?

Another thing to keep in mind is that no one really knows what the original OT had in it. We only know from pieces dating to the gnostic times.

It wasn't eyebrows that were intended to be raised

Doesn't the dating for the Sefer Yetzirah roughly coincide with that too??? And it definitely refers to Pythagorian schtuffs.

Seeker wrote: The evidence that Gnostic ideas preceded Christian origins and led to an evolution of Christ like characters until a sort of ultimate ideal of that character was achieved seems to exist. I agree - the OT is rife with gnostic ideas right from Genesis 1 all the way thru. Of course the pr...

Definitely a possibility - but most of those sculptures would make me run the other way! But then again - after havin' a few kegs - who knows!

Here it is:

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