I agree!My people are a stiff necked people,
Is the Jesus story an astrological allegory?
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Sorry, but I hold to a much, much simpler explanation for the December 25 date.
The winter solstice was celebrated for thousands of years before Jesus. It is usually on December 21 or 22
In the early day of Christianity, it was not at all uncommon for early Christians to continue celebrating the old pagan holidays.
I think they just picked December 25 to give the congregation a couple days to sober up from the solstice party.
I celebrate Western Christmas, Greek Orthodox Christmas, solstice, the first day of Hanukkah, and Festivus, myself.
I am also open to any other excuses you might propose to have a party.
The winter solstice was celebrated for thousands of years before Jesus. It is usually on December 21 or 22
In the early day of Christianity, it was not at all uncommon for early Christians to continue celebrating the old pagan holidays.
I think they just picked December 25 to give the congregation a couple days to sober up from the solstice party.
I celebrate Western Christmas, Greek Orthodox Christmas, solstice, the first day of Hanukkah, and Festivus, myself.
I am also open to any other excuses you might propose to have a party.
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The Roman celebration of The Lupercalia was celebrated on December 25, the winter solstice under their old calendar from deepest antiquity. In fact, many cultures had a winter celebration...nothing new.
The Romans first usurped the Lupercalia to celebrate the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus (their version of Mithras) and it was later borrowed by the christians when they decided that their boy needed a holiday, too.
The Romans first usurped the Lupercalia to celebrate the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus (their version of Mithras) and it was later borrowed by the christians when they decided that their boy needed a holiday, too.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
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Kwanzaa is conspicuously absent from your list.Barracuda wrote:I celebrate Western Christmas, Greek Orthodox Christmas, solstice, the first day of Hanukkah, and Festivus, myself.
I am also open to any other excuses you might propose to have a party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwanzaa
It could carry you right through to the New Year.
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Kwanzaa is conspicuously absent from your list.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
We know this Barracuda. But there was a reason for this worldwide pagan festival. It was to celebrate the birth of the Sun God, as directly after the solstice, the sun begins moving north again, and the days start to lengthen again. The pagan birth of the Sun God was changed by Christians into the birth of the Son of God.Barracuda wrote:Sorry, but I hold to a much, much simpler explanation for the December 25 date.
The winter solstice was celebrated for thousands of years before Jesus. It is usually on December 21 or 22
Sun worship is the oldest form of worship by man.
Ishtar of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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Yeah...it's cold and it's dark and it's raining, here!
Ishtar of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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That little word play only works in english language.Ishtar wrote:The pagan birth of the Sun God was changed by Christians into the birth of the Son of God.
Probably true, but I wonder how old is ancestor worship? I am thinking it is very ancient as well.Ishtar wrote: Sun worship is the oldest form of worship by man.
But God is English, isn't he?Forum Monk wrote:That little word play only works in english language.Ishtar wrote:The pagan birth of the Sun God was changed by Christians into the birth of the Son of God.
Ishtar of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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I've been to the Uffizi gallery and believe me, in every picture God is depicted as a light skinned, european type. In fact, in some pictures he even wore medieval clothing so I conclude he was also well ahead of his time in fashion.
see for yourself here:
http://www.virtualuffizi.com/
see for yourself here:
http://www.virtualuffizi.com/