Michelle, I've been following your web-site for about a year now, and have enjoyed most of what I've read until J.M. started popping up with christian theology nonsense...you booted her off the forum and things got better. Now much of the forum is taken over by "archeologist" (the preacher), and several people really interested in archeology may be going away rather than continue dealing with "archeologist". Please remove this thorn from the forum, so people can actually learn and discuss archeology again. With all the incredable stuff being found and discovered regarding our human history, it would be very refreshing to discuss archeology again...sans christian doctrin..
Richmo90
archeology vs theology
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I am new here but have posted for ages at various sceptical sites. We certainly attract a variety of interesting folks there and they can become a bit annoying at times. However, I believe in free speech and I believe that on a level playing field I would prevail against them. Therefore, the last thing I would do to a religious nut is to ban them.
One can ignore.
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"The history of science is the record of dead religions"
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Frank Harrist
We have discuissed this before. I may not agree with what archaeologist has to say, but as long as he keeps it basically archaeological in nature he has every right to post here. JM didn't keep it archaeological and she was banned. All you have to do is either rebutt what arch says or ignore him. Anyone who is driven off by one such as him isn't giving this forum a fair chance, like it deserves. If he drives you away then you weren't that interested anyway. He does keep his religious stuff confined to a few threads, for the most part. Also his is a point of view which we shouldn't ignore, because it is held by many and will affect us all in one way or another. He gives us a little balance as well as an occasional laugh. 
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I agree with Frank; I'm generally getting tired of seeing people getting written off as "religious nuts" because they have the cheek to stand up for their beliefs.
I don't agree with Arch's viewpoint either, but it's called freedom of speech. Americans are supposed to be great supporters of that principle. Until recently, there was an idiot in this forum who opened his mouth and let his belly rumble. He was cured of that by people challenging him, and presenting evidence to prove he didn't know what he was talking about. Do the same with Arch, if he bothers you that much.
I don't agree with Arch's viewpoint either, but it's called freedom of speech. Americans are supposed to be great supporters of that principle. Until recently, there was an idiot in this forum who opened his mouth and let his belly rumble. He was cured of that by people challenging him, and presenting evidence to prove he didn't know what he was talking about. Do the same with Arch, if he bothers you that much.
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If you care what a veteran poster thinks . . . anyways, I find that the exposure of such helps those who are learning. No, you will rarely, if ever, open the closed mind, but others who follow may see the ridiculousness.
ed can tell you about a few preachers and wackjobs that have driven me to the point that I wished I could not only ban them, I could sacrifice their children to a deity that at least has decent and flexible Temple Prostitutes. However, I would then lose the pleasure of tearing them apart again--the wackjobs . . . not the Temple Prostitutes . . . always treat them right!
There is a page that got infested by Holocaust Deniers. It is a wonderful if disgusting paradigm for bad thinking and biased analysis. The evidence for the Holocaust is, of course, utterly overwhelming. That some can try to cherry pick through it to make it all disappear for whatever foul dishonest reason, seems unbelievable.
So why not send them back to the cesspool from which they oozed.
Lurkers follow them.
Sometimes the lurkers learn.
Of course there are limits to free speech--particularly on a private internet board.
--J.D.
ed can tell you about a few preachers and wackjobs that have driven me to the point that I wished I could not only ban them, I could sacrifice their children to a deity that at least has decent and flexible Temple Prostitutes. However, I would then lose the pleasure of tearing them apart again--the wackjobs . . . not the Temple Prostitutes . . . always treat them right!
There is a page that got infested by Holocaust Deniers. It is a wonderful if disgusting paradigm for bad thinking and biased analysis. The evidence for the Holocaust is, of course, utterly overwhelming. That some can try to cherry pick through it to make it all disappear for whatever foul dishonest reason, seems unbelievable.
So why not send them back to the cesspool from which they oozed.
Lurkers follow them.
Sometimes the lurkers learn.
Of course there are limits to free speech--particularly on a private internet board.
--J.D.
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marduk
will you lot get out of my thread
i'm pretending to be banned
oh and Frank
he spoils all of the threads with his agenda and his presence starts most of the arguments that I know for a fact prevents more knowledgable and conscientious posters from even bothering to read this forum let alone sign up and post here
If you can't see that then you should read some of the swearing in responses from min to him and have a little rethink
i'm pretending to be banned
oh and Frank
no he doesn'tHe does keep his religious stuff confined to a few threads
he spoils all of the threads with his agenda and his presence starts most of the arguments that I know for a fact prevents more knowledgable and conscientious posters from even bothering to read this forum let alone sign up and post here
If you can't see that then you should read some of the swearing in responses from min to him and have a little rethink
Re: archeology vs theology
If you've been watching that long Richmo, come on in. You know us all by now. Join in.richmo90 wrote:Michelle, I've been following your web-site for about a year now, and have enjoyed most of what I've read until J.M. started popping up with christian theology nonsense...you booted her off the forum and things got better. Now much of the forum is taken over by "archeologist" (the preacher), and several people really interested in archeology may be going away rather than continue dealing with "archeologist". Please remove this thorn from the forum, so people can actually learn and discuss archeology again. With all the incredable stuff being found and discovered regarding our human history, it would be very refreshing to discuss archeology again...sans christian doctrin..
Richmo90
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You only quoted part of what I said. You left out "for the most part". Part of my job as moderator is to try to keep the threads on topic. In the past arch has invaded other threads. When he was asked to keep things on topic he usually has complied. I will be watching for that type of thing and will do my best to keep his religious ....stuff confined to the threads which are set aside for that. Best I can do. I'm not kicking the dude off. Hell, he's kinda funny sometimes. Also, as I stated, he represents a large portion of the population which we all must confront. We can use him as target practice.marduk wrote:will you lot get out of my thread
i'm pretending to be banned
oh and Frankno he doesn'tHe does keep his religious stuff confined to a few threads
he spoils all of the threads with his agenda and his presence starts most of the arguments that I know for a fact prevents more knowledgable and conscientious posters from even bothering to read this forum let alone sign up and post here
If you can't see that then you should read some of the swearing in responses from min to him and have a little rethink
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marduk
thats debatableNo other book but the Bible has been nearly as valuable in the process of unraveling the mysteries of the archaeology in the Middle East
then you wouldn't consider the Koran or the Torah as better sources
you'd rather rely on a western version of the five books of Moses (who didn't exist)
how about the Septugint
it at least doesn't pretend that the exodus was anything but fiction
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marduk
no that was found By J.E. Taylor who was british consul at Basra in 1854 who partly uncovered the ziggurat of Nanna. The British Museum began excavations there in 1919 and was joined later by the University Museum of the University of Pennsylvania. The expedition completely excavated the ziggurat, the entire temple area at Ur, and parts of the residential and commercial quarters of the city
The Ur of the Bible namely Ur of the Chaldees didn't exist until around 900bce with the rise of the chaldean empire so Abraham couldn't have come from there
so your biblical source book in this case has its facts wrong anyway
wanna try for double jeopardy where the points can really count ?
Try and remember who's specialised subject this is Jim
The Ur of the Bible namely Ur of the Chaldees didn't exist until around 900bce with the rise of the chaldean empire so Abraham couldn't have come from there
so your biblical source book in this case has its facts wrong anyway
wanna try for double jeopardy where the points can really count ?
Try and remember who's specialised subject this is Jim
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And I wonder why they suspected that something very ancient would be found there, were they just digging a latrine, found an ax head, and said "hmmm, let's keep digging, there might be some unheard of ancient civilization here?"
The Hittites, the "Cities of the Plain" along the Dead Sea, the Fort of Abraham (Beersheva), several ancient Egyptian cities of the Delta, the Philistines, and yes, Ur, among others, were thought to have been mythological until modern archaeology bore them out, oh no.
The Hittites, the "Cities of the Plain" along the Dead Sea, the Fort of Abraham (Beersheva), several ancient Egyptian cities of the Delta, the Philistines, and yes, Ur, among others, were thought to have been mythological until modern archaeology bore them out, oh no.