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Two Sphinxes ?

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Egyptologist Bassam El Shammaa believes that the famed half-lion, half-man statue was an Egyptian deity that was erected next to another sphinx, which has since vanished without a trace. This contradicts what many have believed for centuries -- that a single colossal statue functioned as a guard to the Pyramids. The idea of two sphinxes is more in line with ancient Egyptian beliefs, which were mainly based on duality, the researcher said. He cited Ancient Egyptian records and mythology saying that lightening had destroyed part of the Sphinx. This may have been a reference to the second sphinx which was eliminated after a curse by the chief Egyptian deity... El Shammaa pointed out that the Dream Stela carved by Thutmosis IV clearly depicted two sphinxes. The inventory Stela exhibited at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo did the same. The display showed that King Cheops -- builder of the Great Pyramid -- had undertaken the task of restoring the damage to the Sphinx's neck caused by lightening. "Examination of the Sphinx revealed that damage in its neck, matching the measurements mentioned in the inventory Stela, had been restored. But we also discover that, besides the Sphinx's neck, the lightening destroyed a sycamore tree as well as an object between the tree and the Sphinx whose remains have settled behind the Valley Temple.

I was unable to open the article in Archaeologica News. Maybe someone is able to access it and provide a good quote. I mentioned something about this near the beginning of the Giza thread many months ago. I'm glad someone is pushing the theory. 8)
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I couldn't access the article either but two things seem apparent.

One, he's right. Sphinxes were always built in pairs.

Two, HTH could something that big be obliterated?
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Minimalist wrote:I couldn't access the article either but two things seem apparent.

One, he's right. Sphinxes were always built in pairs.

Two, HTH could something that big be obliterated?
Willfully.
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I once read a theory that another sphinx was made on the other side of the Nile, and that the pair were facing each other. If true, that would put it under present day Cairo.
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Rokcet Scientist wrote:
Minimalist wrote:I couldn't access the article either but two things seem apparent.

One, he's right. Sphinxes were always built in pairs.

Two, HTH could something that big be obliterated?
Willfully.

Then why not "willfully" knock down the other one?
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Minimalist wrote:I couldn't access the article either but two things seem apparent.

One, he's right. Sphinxes were always built in pairs.

Two, HTH could something that big be obliterated?
I use Firefox as a browser, it opened there. When I tried in IE, it was a no go. Thank you Bill Gates!

Sorry guys! :oops:

Here is the complete article from the Daily Star - Egypt
There could have been two sphinxes, argues one researcher

By Ahmed Maged
First Published: August 28, 2007

The Dream Stela, where two sphinxes are sitting in a back-to-back

Egyptologist Bassam El Shammaa who claims that there were two sphinxes

CAIRO: A thorough analysis of Ancient Egyptian history and examination of archaeological evidence indicate that there were two sphinxes on the Pyramids Plateau, an Egyptian researcher argues.

Egyptologist Bassam El Shammaa believes that the famed half-lion, half-man statue was an Egyptian deity that was erected next to another sphinx, which has since vanished without a trace. This contradicts what many have believed for centuries — that a single colossal statue functioned as a guard to the Pyramids.

The idea of two sphinxes is more in line with ancient Egyptian beliefs, which were mainly based on duality, the researcher said. He cited Ancient Egyptian records and mythology saying that lightening had destroyed part of the Sphinx. This may have been a reference to the second sphinx which was eliminated after a curse by the chief Egyptian deity.

El Shammaa explained: “The pyramid texts recovered at Saqqara, especially from the Wanis Pyramid, contain descriptions of the ancient Egyptian conception of how the universe was created. Basically, this concept underlined the belief in duality.”

He added: “Utterance No. 600 says that Atum — the ‘complete one’ and creator god in ancient Egyptian mythology — created his son Shu and daughter Tefnut, shaping them as a lion and a lioness and placing each one on an extreme tip of the universe.

“Shu was to take the solar disc between his jaws and hand it to his sister Tefnut who in turn would capture it between her jaws and by so doing they would achieve the full cycle of the sun.”

While that cycle represented sunrise and sunset and the journey from life to death, it also accounted for the presence of two sphinxes.

“Whenever we have to deal with the solar cult, we should speak of one lion and one lioness facing each other, posing parallel to each other or sitting in a back-to-back position.

“The double avenue of the ram-headed sphinxes fronting the first Karnak pylon and its counterpart of human-headed sphinxes at the Temple of Luxor emphasize this duality, alongside other indications like the double crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt, Isis, Osiris, Habtoor and Horus,” elaborated El Shammaa.

But where has the female sphinx gone? Why did she disappear, leaving behind the male sphinx?

El Shammaa pointed out that the Dream Stela carved by Thutmosis IV clearly depicted two sphinxes. The inventory Stela exhibited at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo did the same. The display showed that King Cheops — builder of the Great Pyramid — had undertaken the task of restoring the damage to the Sphinx’s neck caused by lightening.

“Examination of the Sphinx revealed that damage in its neck, matching the measurements mentioned in the inventory Stela, had been restored. But we also discover that, besides the Sphinx’s neck, the lightening destroyed a sycamore tree as well as an object between the tree and the Sphinx whose remains have settled behind the Valley Temple.

“The Endeavor Satellite released by Nasa over the Pyramids Plateau confirmed the finding. But it makes a lot of sense that lightening could have damaged the Sphinx because the statue was often depicted wearing a double metal crown that must have conducted the shock to the neck,” stated El Shammaa.

The Pyramids of Giza predate the magical utterances recovered at Saqqara but the lion deities are predynastic and the building of the pyramids must have been inspired by those mythological figures which had always appeared in duo.

El Shammaa remarked: “My own interpretation is that the miracle structures were dedicated to the lion deities that also ensured their protection. The demolished temple in front of the Sphinx’s paws and the Valley Temple that stands next to the site of what we assume to be the second sphinx are proof that those two statues were deities.

“For some reason Tefnut has been cursed, as it is not uncommon in world mythology that the chief deity would curse one of the minor gods. The incident of the lightening that wiped out Tefnut must have been exploited by priests to justify her curse and the silence on her disappearance.

“Because they hunt from night to dawn, lionesses have been associated with moisture perceived by priests as destructive for temples and tombs and this is one reason they must have been banished.

“But I would also like to note that the monuments at the Pyramids Plateau are devoid of any hieroglyphic texts and they must have been a riddle for the Ancient Egyptians who lived after the era of the Old Kingdom.”

El Shammaa believes that the temples raised near the sphinxes came after the Giza Pyramids were built, which is further proof of the sacred status of these statues.

“At the end of the day our interpretation of mythology could be right or wrong. But we can’t ignore the archaeological evidence existing at the site and the stelae.

“John Wilkinson (1797-1875), who depicted the Dream Stela in one famous painting, placed two hieroglyphic words under the second sphinx, which meant ‘shun,’ or ‘avoid’. This issue will always be shrouded in mystery,” he said.
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Zahi Hawass would shit a brick.
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My own interpretation is that the miracle structures were dedicated to the lion deities that also ensured their protection. The demolished temple in front of the Sphinx’s paws and the Valley Temple that stands next to the site of what we assume to be the second sphinx are proof that those two statues were deities.
I looked at this area on Google Earth, and I can't see any area that might have contained a second sphinx, but time can change a lot of things.

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I here offer my humble theory that there is a second sphinx, located on the other side of the causeway.
I firmly believe its existence is conspicuous beyond the shadow of a doubt. I believe it lies buried under the sand, its suffocated and dilapidated remains not rivaling the state of preservation of the existing sphinx. Perhaps it was not buried throughout time as the existing one, which aided in its destruction. If we were to calculate its measurements, aided by newly excavated ruins, we should find it to be 66 feet high, 240 feet long, the mouth 7 feet 7 inches, the ears 4 feet 6 inches and the nose 5 feet 7 inches. Exactly the same typical measurements of the existing sphinx. The second sphinx is mind boggling in its simplicity and common sense.

Another article regarding the second sphinx theory.
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The second sphinx is mind boggling in its simplicity and common sense.
Yeah . . . like the emperor's new clothes.

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If, for what ever reason, two sphinx were needed then we have to assume that either there were two rock out crops in exactly the required positions, unlikely?, or that the missing one was a possible construct.
That would explain its subsequent loss.
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Again, the sphinx we have is below ground level for the most part. They dug a pit around it. I always thought that the Giza plateau was fairly flat so that would mean they'd have had to dig another pit.

This seems bizarre but stranger things have happened. I guess.
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That's one reason why I suggested that a second sphinx may have been a construct Min, there would be no need of a pit to obtain the desired height.
If they had wanted to preserve certain proportions on number one, and the length of the outcrop was too great for the height, they had then to either reduce the length or increase the height. Possibly digging was the easy option.
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If one was above ground and one was in a hole they wouldn't have been facing each other at the same level.

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After Cheops came Khephren (2020 BC.) and built the second pyramid on Giza Plateau which from one spot appears higher than the Cheops pyramid, but this is due to it being built over a higher plateau.
The causeway and tomb entrances were always protected by double sphinxes flanking the entrance. Consequently, there is a great chance that there was, or is, another sphinx parallel to the one which exists today, only in very poor condition due to air pollution and underground water erosion.
Here is the web site of the fellow who is responsible for the current two sphinx theory. He explains the whole theory.
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