Nile Shrank When OK Fell

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:08 am

Google search (use Google): Old Kingdom Nile Depth, and the first link is Blue Nile's Source to Reveal Dark Secrets, check it out.

Something drastic happened to the climate when the Old Kingdom of ancient Egypt fell.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:45 am

The other day you were claiming that "the water was lapping at the paws of the sphinx."

Tech · Post by **Tech** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:09 pm

It wasnt excess water , quite the reverse-

Four thousand two hundred years ago, the first great civilisation in Egypt collapsed.

The pharaohs of the Egyptian Old Kingdom had built the mightiest legacy of the ancient world - the pyramids at Giza. But after nearly a thousand years of stability, central authority disintegrated and the country collapsed into chaos for more than a 100 years.
severe climate change causing widespread human misery 4,200 years ago
Fekri wanted to put the last piece of the puzzle in place. He wanted direct evidence of this severe climate change in the Nile. And he found it drilling cores in a large lake that had been fed by a tributary of the Nile in ancient times.

He discovered in the critical period, as the Old Kingdom collapsed, the lake had dried up completely - the only time in the whole history of this lake that this had happened. At last, Fekri felt he had proved that the writings on Ankhtifi's tomb were really true. It was nature that had driven people to desperation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1458327.stm

stan · Post by **stan** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:34 pm

Thanks, tech.
That's a great little article.
There's nothing like science!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:49 am

So, the Old Kingdom did collapse from drought, but the article says there was a mini Ice Age then, which is ridiculous, because the greater cloud-cover (and thereby precipitation) from an Ice Age would have caused more rain in the middle latitudes, so, in reality, the Ice Age ended when Egypt dried-out.

Of course, the Ipuwer Papyrus describes the calamitous drying-out, which actually occurred circa 1500 B.C., worldwide, see Sumer, Elam, and the Indus, they all dried-out circa 1500 B.C.

Hey min, when do you think Sumer, Elam, Egypt, and the Indus, dried-out to induce the mass migrations in the ancient world at that time?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:45 am

Hey min, you are obvioulsy ignorant of the fact that Manetho's list of Egytpian pharoahs (your Bible) foolishly lists all of the kings sequentially, when we know there were several city-states with regional autonomy in ancient times in Egypt, so Manetho wanted an older than real Egypt, and gullible folks like you help him try to achieve this.

Min, how can you be so gullible? Next you'll say that Solon, another Egyptian priest, had it right when he supposedly said that ancient Egypt goes all the way back to 10000 B.C.!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:58 am

Notice the BBC article says worldwide climate change occurred when Egypt went dry, now check your history books, and see that the Indus Civilization ended circa 1500 B.C., because of drought, the hey day the Mesopotamia city-states ended circa 1500 B.C., because of drought, and why? The end of the Ice Age, of course, it's very plain to see, min, if you'd take off your cool shades of orthodoxy.

Essan · Post by **Essan** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:12 am

Genesis Veracity wrote:So, the Old Kingdom did collapse from drought, but the article says there was a mini Ice Age then, which is ridiculous, because the greater cloud-cover (and thereby precipitation) from an Ice Age would have caused more rain in the middle latitudes, so, in reality, the Ice Age ended when Egypt dried-out.

Is that what happened in the 16th-19th centuries then?

A 'mini ice age' is not the same thing as a full blown glacial. It simply means generally cooler climatic conditions over a large part of the globle, with a resurgence in glaciers in mountain regions etc.

That said, I would not personally describe the 4.2kya climate event a 'mini ice age'. I'm not aware off hand of any strong evidence for any significant glacial advance in the N Hemisphere at that time, certainly not to the extent as happened, for example, during the 'Little Ice Age' during the last millenium, nor to the likes of the Thames freezing in winter.

It only needs a decade or so of drought for a civilisation to collapse.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:18 am

Take a valium, GV. The most rational discussion I've seen of Ipuwer is that it is literature.

Only bible thumpers take it literally.....as they do so much else.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:06 pm

Hey min, you still haven't figured out what people-group was living in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D, do you need another hint?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:10 pm

Hey min, do you think the ancient Egyptian priest Manetho was correct that ancient Egypt dates from circa 3000 B.C., or do you think the Egyptian priest Solon was correct that ancient Egypt dates back to 10000 B.C.?

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:46 pm

Hey, GV. Do you know that the bible is a load of bullshit?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:54 pm

But min, why can't you say what people-group lived in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D.? Is this too hard for you?

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:02 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:But min, why can't you say what people-group lived in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D.? Is this too hard for you?

I'm still waiting for you to explain your comment about Beer Sheba. You don't get two answers before I get one.

If you don't like it.....go scratch.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:54 pm

Ahahahahahah, since you say the Bible is specious, you're saying that the Jews didn't live in Israel from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D., that is all we need to know about your academic acumen (L sign). Jim