Hybrids
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Hybrids
Start here:Neandertal/Sapien hybrids. Were there any? Are there any?
http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1999/04 ... rthal.html
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Peer Review
Erik Trinkaus and Alan Templeton are adamant that hybrids are staring us in the face but being ignored. They don't take peer review well, but I believe the Neanderthal Genome Project will give us answers in two years or so anyway. Human genetics is still an infant science, but my opinion ... speculation ... is that HSS interbred with HSN and produced some viable offspring; however genetic drift makes current analysis inconclusive. I will put my $20 on a few remaining HSN alleles showing up within the next couple of years. It is also my explanation for not being the #1 masters sprinter in my US age group this year ... HSN genetics slows me down too much.As I understood the subject there are/were those who who dispute the those results and the later one from Eastern Europe as well. What's your opinion?
My best chance for the gold might be to characteristically beat the crap out of the guy next to me before sprinting, but the USATF still considers that a DQ event. 
Natural selection favors the paranoid
I don't believe it! It's taken me 50 years to find someone who holds a similar view to myself. I was once asked not to attend any further lectures at a London venue because my views were seen as heretical.
But I fear the proof may be more difficult to find than you fear, a report I saw some months ago stated that no trace of the Moorish ancestry could currently found, even at the DNA level, in modern Spanish people. It would appear if that is so that some genes must be lost over time.
But I fear the proof may be more difficult to find than you fear, a report I saw some months ago stated that no trace of the Moorish ancestry could currently found, even at the DNA level, in modern Spanish people. It would appear if that is so that some genes must be lost over time.
Speculation
Remember, we are only sharing duties on the GOOD SHIP SPECULATION at this point. Until definitive DNA evidence is discovered, we won't make port. 
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http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/homosapiens.htm
This article has some good discussion about hybrids around the world. It's a long article and the part that is of specific interest is about half way down the page.
This article has some good discussion about hybrids around the world. It's a long article and the part that is of specific interest is about half way down the page.
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Did I mention I can trace my family roots back to a locale near the Neander Valley?
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Another Hybrid
Another potential hybrid in the woodpile:Neandertal/Sapien hybrids. Were there any? Are there any?
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/botren ... tid=208740
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My thanks to both Cognito and Beagle. Having just joined this forum I'm beginning to feel like a Biblical prophet. I live in a rather remote part of the UK and until I found this site I had no one I could dicuss these things with and I've got half a centuary of dicussions to catch up with, you have been warned! As regard not theorising in the absense of DNA, until two short breaths ago that is exactly what had to be done. DNA can also be used to prove or disprove our ideas as well as a purely investigative tool.
Pre DNA there were a sizeable number of absolute Bull S--t ideas around,(examples provided upon request) but it does not appear to be the answer to the maiden's prayer, as I pointed out, the Moorish genes seem to have been lost in Europe.
Using Occam's razor the simplest way of explaining the significant variations in our species would be to follow the out of Africa 2 idea. DNA tests have shown that modern European man entered Europe, not from Africa direct, but from eastern Europe, and again the logical view, not necessarily the correct one I agree, would be that as he turned right after leaving Africa he found Asia already sufficiently populated that he turned west. This would leave the Asiatic people as migrants from out of Africa 1 and Europeans as out of Africa 2.
The argument that the human race shiows very little genetic variation would then be answered by my wanting to know how much variation would be needed to recognize a new species, after all, there is reputed to be only 5% difference between us and Chimpanzees.
Well that's one part of 50 years deep thought dealt with. Well it beats watching soap operas!
Pre DNA there were a sizeable number of absolute Bull S--t ideas around,(examples provided upon request) but it does not appear to be the answer to the maiden's prayer, as I pointed out, the Moorish genes seem to have been lost in Europe.
Using Occam's razor the simplest way of explaining the significant variations in our species would be to follow the out of Africa 2 idea. DNA tests have shown that modern European man entered Europe, not from Africa direct, but from eastern Europe, and again the logical view, not necessarily the correct one I agree, would be that as he turned right after leaving Africa he found Asia already sufficiently populated that he turned west. This would leave the Asiatic people as migrants from out of Africa 1 and Europeans as out of Africa 2.
The argument that the human race shiows very little genetic variation would then be answered by my wanting to know how much variation would be needed to recognize a new species, after all, there is reputed to be only 5% difference between us and Chimpanzees.
Well that's one part of 50 years deep thought dealt with. Well it beats watching soap operas!
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Digit,
Here is a item from today's news page:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061107/sc_ ... erthals_dc
The original paper this article is based on:
Evidence that the adaptive allele of the brain size gene microcephalin introgressed into Homo sapiens from an archaic Homo lineage
Abstract: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0606966103v1
(Full text available in pdf file)
And another article from today's searches:
Scientists Create Neanderthal Genome
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?stor ... hal_genome
Here is a item from today's news page:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061107/sc_ ... erthals_dc
The original paper this article is based on:
Evidence that the adaptive allele of the brain size gene microcephalin introgressed into Homo sapiens from an archaic Homo lineage
Abstract: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0606966103v1
(Full text available in pdf file)
And another article from today's searches:
Scientists Create Neanderthal Genome
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?stor ... hal_genome
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MH Thanks for that report. Now if I'd studied palaeontology at Uni as I had wanted to I could be world famous by now!!! I've argued the viewpoint for years that the sudden flowering of art etc could most easily be explained by the interbreeding of two or more sub-species of Homo. As you can see in the articles you kindly directed me to the experts have long names for what I've always known as hybrid vigour.