Idaho, huh?

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Idaho, huh?

Postby Minimalist » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:47 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/30/us/idaho ... index.html


Idaho artifacts show humans came to North America via a water route, not land


Davis first went to Cooper's Ferry in 1997, after reading earlier studies that found spearheads and other tools in the 1960s, back when researchers didn't have the resources to date the artifacts.
Now, that's changed. 1997 was just a test excavation, and Davis returned with a team in 2009 to do some real digging, staying at the site until 2018.
The team basically uncovered a campsite, finding stone tools, the remains of a fire pit and broken up bones of medium to large animals, something like elk or deer.
It wasn't just a one-time stop, either. Davis said people returned to the site, and the team found newer artifacts closer to the surface and older ones further down. They dated the artifacts using radiocarbon dating, what Davis called the "gold standard" in aging things younger than 50,000 years. It's the most accurate dating method for archeologists, so the team is confident in their accuracy.



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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby kbs2244 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:02 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... red%20User

This story is a little more detailed.

It calls the dating difference less than 2000 years
14,000 vs 16,000

Isn't that within the plus/minus range at these ages?

I smell headline hunting.
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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby Minimalist » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:16 pm

Irrelevant. The latest guesstimates for the mandatory "ice-free corridor" that Clovis First needs are 12,000 BC. 14,000 or 16,000 are both sufficient to demolish it.
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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby circumspice » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:27 am

I've read articles & papers where 'Clovis Firsters' were working on Clovis sites... They stopped & dug no further after clearing the Clovis layers... instead of continuing until they cleared all the way to sterile layers... That, of course, was because there was 'nothing to find' below the Clovis layers...

I suppose that the world must wait for natural attrition (old age & death) before we can dispense with the Clovis First theory once & for all.
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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby shawomet » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:18 pm

circumspice wrote:I've read articles & papers where 'Clovis Firsters' were working on Clovis sites... They stopped & dug no further after clearing the Clovis layers... instead of continuing until they cleared all the way to sterile layers... That, of course, was because there was 'nothing to find' below the Clovis layers...

I suppose that the world must wait for natural attrition (old age & death) before we can dispense with the Clovis First theory once & for all.


One way the theme of Thomas Kuhn's seminal work, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" has been summarized is "science advances one funeral at a time". I forget who coined that, but I always liked it. But, really, Clovis First is finished as far as I can see. Too many valid pre-Clovis sites in both North America, and South.

The Pacific coast kelp highway hypothesis for entry into the Americas has been in the ascendency for a number of years now. I expect it to prevail overall. Early human migration and watercraft is "a thing" of late, not just in the peopling of the Americas puzzle. Funny how that works.
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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby circumspice » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:39 pm

"science advances one funeral at a time"


Lmao!!! Thanks shawomet! That quote made my day!
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Re: Idaho, huh?

Postby Minimalist » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:08 pm

Attributed to Max Planck, although the translation from German to English may be a bit off.
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