New Titanic Evidence...?
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missjones
New Titanic Evidence...?
Has anyone heard about the new evidence found about the tragedy of the Titanic? There's going to be a documentary on the history channel about the team who made the discovery and the theories that they have come up with.... Should be interesting, if they did in fact find some new startling evidence about it? What do you guys think?
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Rokcet Scientist
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A textbook example of sensationalist hype, missjones. It won't get us even one of those 1,521 victims back. And even IF (in the perennial 'blame game') there should turn out to have been 'guilty' parties, what are we gonna do with that 'knowledge'? Sue them? Sue who then? They're all dead too.
Paying more than a few seconds of attention to this non-issue is a waste of time.
You DID ask for opinions.
Paying more than a few seconds of attention to this non-issue is a waste of time.
You DID ask for opinions.
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Hi Miss,
What's the theory this time? I remember a doc on British TV a few years back proved that the Titanic was doomed from the moment it left the drawing board, as the design meant there was too much stress on the ship's keel and it would have broken it's back eventually anyway. They also managed to recover steel from the ship itself, which chemical analysis found to be too brittle for the application of an ocean-going ship.
As an aside, there's a hotel in the town of Alnwick, in the north of England, which has it's dining room decked out exactly like the Titanic's. The decor is actually from one of the Titanic's sister ships, and was purchased when the ship was scrapped.
What's the theory this time? I remember a doc on British TV a few years back proved that the Titanic was doomed from the moment it left the drawing board, as the design meant there was too much stress on the ship's keel and it would have broken it's back eventually anyway. They also managed to recover steel from the ship itself, which chemical analysis found to be too brittle for the application of an ocean-going ship.
As an aside, there's a hotel in the town of Alnwick, in the north of England, which has it's dining room decked out exactly like the Titanic's. The decor is actually from one of the Titanic's sister ships, and was purchased when the ship was scrapped.
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Rokcet Scientist
Besides, we now KNOW why there were so many victims:
http://www.zenadsl5692.zen.co.uk/WeAreSinking.swf
http://www.zenadsl5692.zen.co.uk/WeAreSinking.swf
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lol I know, I was like 'what more is there to find out about the titanic?'. For those who are fascinated about uncovering clues as to what people have gone through in our past seem to be the kind of poeple who might like a show like this - I've had a chance to learn some inside details about the documentary because I get to work with the history channel from time to time. I don't think i'll mind having this on the tube on a slow day.. I find the programming on that channel relaxing - even if it is just delving into secrets of the past even if they dont change what happened....
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Ah, but they can change the way think about what happened!
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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i for one am tired of hearing about the titanic. i thought the movie was terrible and the continual visiting of the site without excavation macabre.
if the only lesson that the titanic can give has been learned then we need not discuss it any more as there is nothing that can be done but fail to repeat the same mistakes.
as for new evidence, what can it accomplish but cast blame on those who don't really care anymore as they are long gone from this world and new trouble means nothing.
but that is my 2 cents worth on this.
if the only lesson that the titanic can give has been learned then we need not discuss it any more as there is nothing that can be done but fail to repeat the same mistakes.
as for new evidence, what can it accomplish but cast blame on those who don't really care anymore as they are long gone from this world and new trouble means nothing.
but that is my 2 cents worth on this.
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The current Titanic fascination probably revolves around the sheer difficulty of getting down there to see it. Once down there, they have to find a way to justify the trip.
Besides, mankind always finds its tragedies more interesting than its triumphs.
Besides, mankind always finds its tragedies more interesting than its triumphs.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
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Frank Harrist
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I'm not interested in it, either. I see it as "pop culture."
I admire Ballard a lot, and I suppose, like Cousteau , he has advanced the technology of underwater exploration, which can be used for more significant studies.
The Titanic even had a twin...so we don't have to look at the wreck to
know how it was built and so forth.
I admire Ballard a lot, and I suppose, like Cousteau , he has advanced the technology of underwater exploration, which can be used for more significant studies.
The Titanic even had a twin...so we don't have to look at the wreck to
know how it was built and so forth.
The deeper you go, the higher you fly.
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Did any of you get to see it last night? This documentary was not like other ones that claim to have some amazing discovery and then just feed you a ton of facts you already know.
They went down there searching for this piece of evidence, as one of the guys had been down there previously and made note of some strange looking metal found near the site. They did not need to make up anything to make their journey worth it - they just needed to find what they went down there for. And they did. And what's more is that from what they found they were able to prove that the ship sank from much more damage and broke apart differently than we had originally thought. Infact we originally had the oppposite idea of what actually happened, which is the most interesting part of it all.
The subject may have been beaten to death by wanna-be documentaries of discoveries, but I think this one has merit and should definitely be viewed by those who have some knowledge about the tragedy. The guys who went down there and figured all of this out were on Good Morning America last tuesday to discuss their findings as well, dunoo if anyeon saw that...
They went down there searching for this piece of evidence, as one of the guys had been down there previously and made note of some strange looking metal found near the site. They did not need to make up anything to make their journey worth it - they just needed to find what they went down there for. And they did. And what's more is that from what they found they were able to prove that the ship sank from much more damage and broke apart differently than we had originally thought. Infact we originally had the oppposite idea of what actually happened, which is the most interesting part of it all.
The subject may have been beaten to death by wanna-be documentaries of discoveries, but I think this one has merit and should definitely be viewed by those who have some knowledge about the tragedy. The guys who went down there and figured all of this out were on Good Morning America last tuesday to discuss their findings as well, dunoo if anyeon saw that...
Shipwreck fascination
My professional life is devoted to researching, finding, evaluating and writing about deep-water shipwrecks around the world. I work with a few guys who were in on Ballard's expedition, the French expedition, and the US "recovery" expedition to the Titanic. Three of these guys have been down to the ship in mini-subs.
People invite me to parties so they can sit me in a corner, keep the cocktails coming and have me tell stories.
Human fascination with danger, disaster, survival - and tragedy - transcends almost any other communal impulse. It's right up there with food, drink and sex, and maybe ahead of shelter and designer labels.
Only yesterday, at age 99, a woman died who was 5 when she escaped from the sinking Titanic. It made headlines around the world.
What bothers me about the "explorations" of the Titanic so far - and that includes the documentary which kicked off this thread a while back - is that each and every one has been exploitative. Ballard was just as much a ghoul hawking disaster as anyone else (heck, the only reason he even DID that project was to obscure a different search he made for the US Navy, looking for a lost nuke sub of ours).
There has bee NO serious archaeology, even in the sense of a good "non-disturbance survey" done on this ship. It is all curiosity-seeking and sensationalism. Now, of course, the wreck site is so completely disturbed by the thrill-mongers that only a minimum of archaeological value even remains.
People invite me to parties so they can sit me in a corner, keep the cocktails coming and have me tell stories.
Human fascination with danger, disaster, survival - and tragedy - transcends almost any other communal impulse. It's right up there with food, drink and sex, and maybe ahead of shelter and designer labels.
Only yesterday, at age 99, a woman died who was 5 when she escaped from the sinking Titanic. It made headlines around the world.
What bothers me about the "explorations" of the Titanic so far - and that includes the documentary which kicked off this thread a while back - is that each and every one has been exploitative. Ballard was just as much a ghoul hawking disaster as anyone else (heck, the only reason he even DID that project was to obscure a different search he made for the US Navy, looking for a lost nuke sub of ours).
There has bee NO serious archaeology, even in the sense of a good "non-disturbance survey" done on this ship. It is all curiosity-seeking and sensationalism. Now, of course, the wreck site is so completely disturbed by the thrill-mongers that only a minimum of archaeological value even remains.