Pokotia Monolith

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:39 pm

However Winters came about deciphering it - it makes sense.
I think the Bolivians should have gotten the opinion of more than one expert.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:14 pm

and thats your expert opinion on the subject is it
so anyone reading this know that they should take a 180 o opinion to what you just stated

Mayonaze · Post by **Mayonaze** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:00 pm

This forum is going to implode if the moderator doesn't play a more agressive role.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:41 pm

nice first post Mayonaze
welcome to the forum

please be aware of the sign before proceeding further into this thread

Post by **MichelleH** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:44 pm

Mayonaze wrote:This forum is going to implode if the moderator doesn't play a more agressive role.

Greetings Mayonaze,

Welcome to the chaos we lovingly call the Archaeologica forums.

The main rules are stay on topic, attack no one personally, and if attacked, let me know and the matter will be taken care of.

We try not to castigate or discipline in the forums, that is left to PMs. We've only had tiny implosions on a rare occasion.

Marduk, behave around the new members....

Again, welcome and enjoy!

MichelleH
Administrator

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:52 pm

Marduk, behave around the new members

but i did
I welcomed him to the forum and congratulated him on his first post
oh
you mean the sign
well its not personal
its public
anyone can read it

I was thinking its a lot less personal than my usual retorts so I might use it more often if thats a better alternative ?
I'm sorry I can be a bitch sometimes
I blame my mother

she blames me so thats fair

Mayonaze · Post by **Mayonaze** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:58 am

Thanks for the welcome, everyone. You have a wonderful web site and forum. It's not my intention to make waves - just seems that the word salad would be much more attractive (and productive) if served with a little less vinegar.

I'll go back to lurking now ....

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:10 pm

Mayo, when you go to the beach do you just stand there looking at the water?

Jump in, lad. Get your feet wet!!!

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:31 pm

Mayo, (I guess you knew you'd be stuck with that nickname) welcome to the forum. Most folks here are very nice. Enjoy yourself.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:16 pm

Welcome Mayo and feel free to jump into the fray ... Marduk calls himself a bitch but he's just trying to put himself in a good light!

You will find that most of us are passionate about archaeology, some more than others. But we are all here to learn and lift the veil from the past.

There is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there. Much of it pseudoscience and some of it ill-conceived orthodoxy. We, the armchair quarterbacks of archaeology have the ability to attack, speculate, deride and annoy any published scholar while still keeping our daytime reputations intact (for the most part). What a life!

Ishtar · Post by **Ishtar** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:40 am

Hi y'all

I'm new, so I just thought I'd drop in to this topic as I think it could be an interesting one, if only it could get going.

More thoughts later.....!

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:03 am

Hi Ishtar. What is it about the monolith you think is interesting? The possible connection between it and Sumerian script or the controversy?

Ishtar · Post by **Ishtar** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:31 am

Yeah..sort of...but I'm also particularly interested in the actual content of the inscription. I'm interested in shamanism (both ancient and modern) and divining is part of that. The pythonesses (female diviners or oracles) of Delphi in Greece used to stand on similar objects, really high up above the people.

I don't want to risk being too graphic as I've only just arrived, and I don't want to give the wrong impression! But I've also heard that the monoliths would often be split into two sections so that the pythoness could stand astride it.

There is a reason for it that fits into some modern day shamanic practices, but I'll spare everyone's blushes for now. Maybe when I get to know everyone a bit better......!

So I don't know if there's any evidence about whether the Sumerians used diviners or oracles as such.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:29 am

Ok, let me remind everyone of Dr. Clyde Winters interpretation of the Pokotia Monolith inscriptions. Now if I understand the controverisal part (I welcome comments from our more informed experts), Dr. Winters interprets the writing as a "proto" sumerian which originated in Africa.

First the Fuente Magna Bowl:

Decipherment of the Cuneiform Writing on the Fuente Magna Bowl
by Dr. C. A. Winters
This translation of the 3 panels of the cuneiform writing reads as follows:

"Approach in the future (one) endowed with great protection the Great Nia".

"[The Divine One Nia(sh) to] Establish Purity, Establish Gladness, Establish Character". ("This favorable oracle of the people to establish purity and to establish character [for all who seek it]".)

"[Use this talisman (the Fuente bowl)] To sprout [oh] diviner the unique advise [at] the temple".

"The righteous shrine, anoint (this) shrine, anoint (this) shrine; The leader takes an oath [to] Establish purity, a favorable oracle (and to) Establish character. [Oh leader of the cult] Open up a unique light [for all], [who] wish for a noble life".

Source: Decipherment of the Cuneiform Writing on the Fuente Magna Bowl
by Dr. C. A. Winters

Now the Monolith:

Decipherment of the Front and side inscriptions on the Pokotia Monolith
by Dr. C. A. Winters
The Pokotia signs are found on the front of the statue below the hands. The Pokotia signs are found on the right and left thighs of the figure. The symbols on the Pokotia statue are read from top to bottom, right to left. The signs have syllabic values.

Translation:

" Distribute/ the opening of the Oracle to mankind./ Proclaim [that Putaki's] offspring (are to) witness esteem./Act justly (now), to send forth the oracle to nourish knowledge./ Appreciate the cult. [All to} witness the divine decree./ Send forth the soothsayer to capture the speech [from the oracle] to make clear the ideal norm [ for living, as a guide for mankind]. [Citizens] witness in favor of this human being to create wisdom (for all mankind), and send forth [an example of good] character [Indeed]!"

There is an additional inscription on the left side of the statue.

"The Diviner proclaims the phenomenal depth of this area , of the deity's power, to entrust man with wisdom".

On the far right side of the Pokotia statue there are inscriptions which appear to be engraved in a box that provide the name of the oracle. Below is the inscription:

"Good Putaki, a wise man and progenator of (many) people."

There is an additional inscription on the right side of the statue.

" Take an oath to witness character and wisdom. Witness the deity's power [ to make for you] a righteous soul".

Decipherment of the Back and side inscriptions on the Pokotia Monolith
by Dr. C. A. Winters
The inscriptions on the Pokotia figure are written in the Sumerian language. The signs used to write the messages on the Pokotia monolith were non-liguture Proto-Sumerian symbols.

The inscription under the hand on the Pokotia figure is very interesting:

" The oracle Putaki conducts man to truth. (This) esteemed (and) precious oracle to sprout esteem, (now) witness (its) escape".

The Decipherment of the back inscription of Putaki is below. The writing on the back is written in Proto-Sumerian. The language used to read the inscriptions was Sumerian.

"Proclaim the establishment of character. The strong father (Putaki) to send forth the devination. Strong wisdom (in this) phenomenal area of the deity's power. Capture the speech (of the oracle) . (The oracle is ) very strong to benefit (and) nourish the sprouting (of) character. Tell human being(s) (the oracle's) benefit. The oracle to open (up) much (benefit for all)."

" The ideal norm (is the) oracle (of Putaki). (This) oracle is (in) a phenomenal area of the deity's power". Distribute to all humanity (the divine decree). Snare a portion (of the) pure voice. (The oracle to) send forth gladness. Agitate the mouth (of the oracle), to send forth the divination. The diviner speaks good."

Or

" The ideal norm (is this) oracle. (This) oracle (gives) divine decree.Distribute to all humanity (the divine decree). Snare a portion (of the) pure voice. (The oracle to) send forth gladness. Agitate the mouth (of the oracle), to send forth the divination. The diviner speaks good."

"The divine decree to become visible and glisten (from the oracle's own) mouth. Open up the divination. Agitate the oracle (to) send forth (now) wisdom and character. Open (the oracle) to distribute the divine decree (for all it is) lawful and righteous Good. Send forth the sustenance of the pure oracle. Stand upright (Oh oracle) to appear as a witness speaking purity. The oracle (of Putaki) to open (up and) send forth gladness and character".

"(Putaki) speaks (in) true measure, to send forth gladness (for all). Send forth nourish(ment). (The oracle Putaki is) the father of wisdom (and) benefit (for all). (The oracle) to become a visible witness of the diving decree and knowledge. (This) pure oracle speaks the divine decree (and) makes (it) a visible witness (of the deity's power)."

Above quotations from http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:36 am

btw - I don't think anyone could stand on the pakotia monolith as it was a 2 meter high statue of a man, not a slab or pedestal type affair. Also is is intact albeit a bit worn.