Interesting, Enigmatic Stuff

[Frank Harrist]

Building a helicopter would be a pretty good trick for a civilization which did not even have iron... and, of course, we have all the evidence of ancient refineries to produce fuel for it.

I wonder how you write "hellfire missile" in hieroglyphs?

I think it's a lightning bolt.

[uniface]

You people are outright comical. Really !

First, you set up a belief-based ("that can't be so because it can't be so") litmus test that discounts the very possibility of anything that doesn't fit comfortably into your little Procrustian bed, consigning anything that doesn't to the Artifactial Memory Hole.

THEN you use your picture of the past this fraudulent generalisation creates to "refutiate" anything that does somehow manage to elude the artifact police and come to public attention.

The Antikythera Mechanism is an ancient mechanical calculator (also described as a “mechanical computer”) designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was discovered in the Antikythera wreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete, and has been dated to about 150-100 BC. It is especially notable for being a technological artifact with no known predecessor or successor; other machines using technology of such complexity would not appear until the 18th century.
http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads ... ythera.jpg

Reminder : In authentic science, it only takes one confirmed disproval to send a theory back to the drawing board. The quibbling this occasions is a separate matter (although to people who absurdly believe that the procedural/evaluative bookkeeping end of it is what science "is," this never registers. Probably because it doesn't require -- or even admit of -- belief).

[kbs2244]

Just to add a little to the technical abilities of the Egyptians.

Back in 2005 some Cal Tech students pretty well proved that with the technology of the day that an obelisk could be raised with some wind/kite power.

The hint to follow this path was the somewhat common winged symbol that does not resemble a known bird species, but could very well symbolize a birds ability to use the power of the wind.

It was written up here:

http://www.caltech.edu/content/caltech- ... t-pyramids

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... elisk.html

And, of course, it didn’t happen unless there is a you tube of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6fVVUzRup8

After proving it could be done in the CA desert they were trying to raise funds for a trip to Egypt so they could try it there.
But things like graduations, jobs, and real life got in the way.

I think the sponsoring Prof is still there.
I would love to see him assign a follow-up assignment.

[Minimalist]

After proving it could be done in the CA desert they were trying to raise funds for a trip to Egypt so they could try it there.

Is the wind different in Egypt?

[kbs2244]

"Is the wind different in Egypt?"

I doubt it.

Besides a paid for trip,
I think they were trying to head off arguments that blowing sand, different terrain, etc. would make their argument invalid.

And they wanted the Egyptians to witness their experiments.
If they did the experiments in Egypt it would be hard for the “authorities” to ignore the results.

[Minimalist]

Besides a paid for trip,

I think you nailed it the first time, kb!

[uniface]

Ancient tales speak of flying vimanas. Vimanas were described as real vehicles and were said to have the ability to travel, and deliver explosives, at high speeds.  Great wars were described in early "religious" texts. Weapons could literally level the land like a moving force field.

In ancient India, we find words for certain measurements of length; one was the distance of light-years and one was the length of an atom. Only a society that possessed nuclear energy would have the need for such words.

When Oppenheimer said ‘I am become the destroyer of worlds,’ he was quoting from these ancient Vedic texts.

In fact, Indian "sacred" writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post ... overed!%29

[uniface]

Hopefully (I can dream, can't I ?) people have read the excerpts from these in the above link.

Now my question is -- in all seriousness :

People have insisted for 100 years -- hysterically -- that "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" are (your choice) forgeries, fiction, plagerised, nonsense, hate literature with no basis in fact, etc. ad nauseum.

Yet no one explains how it could be that -- if they were fictional -- they could have predicted the developments in the years since their publication with such chilling accuracy -- both the results of events and the motivation behind them.

Whenever that question is asked (ordinarily known as "falsification"), the screen goes blank.

It is exactly the same situation with the Indian texts that describe nuclear energy and atomic warfare. If these were fanciful guesses, they might have gotten one or two general ideas right, just from sheer imagination.

But like the African tribesmen who knew that Sirus was a double star when we didn't -- how else can you account for it than as the survival of information from across a catastrophic cultural divide ?

There is a limit to being able to claim coincidence and maintain any kind of credibility with ordinary people -- as opposed to true believers. (Who, if history is any indication, can be led to believe anything). (Provided it is presented as the deep wisdom of the great wise ones of the age).

[Minimalist]

Ancient tales speak of flying vimanas. Vimanas were described as real vehicles and were said to have the ability to travel, and deliver explosives, at high speeds.  Great wars were described in early "religious" texts. Weapons could literally level the land like a moving force field.

In ancient India, we find words for certain measurements of length; one was the distance of light-years and one was the length of an atom. Only a society that possessed nuclear energy would have the need for such words.

When Oppenheimer said ‘I am become the destroyer of worlds,’ he was quoting from these ancient Vedic texts.

In fact, Indian "sacred" writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post ... overed!%29

I feel as if I am always peeing on your parade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imizX45NlWE

[uniface]

Pee away, then. But kindly do it in print, given that I'm too deaf to hear videos (words or music) on our computer.

[Tiompan]

But like the African tribesmen who knew that Sirus was a double star when we didn't -- how else can you account for it than as the survival of information from across a catastrophic cultural divide ?

We did know . The first recording of the belief , by Griaule was in the 1930's , this post dates the recognition of the existence of Sirius B ,first hypothesised in 1844 , and confrimed in 1862 .

[Minimalist]

Luckily for you they do have textual versions on their web site.

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/refere ... s/vimanas/

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/refere ... -warefare/


This shit was debunked when Von Daniken brought it out in the 70's. This new bunch of sleazeballs.....Coppens, Childress, and the guy with the hair... are just con men.

[uniface]

Cool. So : worst possible case scenerio, one of the texts dates from 1918. This changes what in essence (comprehension of atomic warfare that wasn't known yet) ?

[Minimalist]

No...worst possible case scenario is that these con men are full of shit.

[uniface]

Much more easily demonstrated that somebody here's in denial of basic rationality.

I.e., how could anyone have known enough about that stuff to describe it 25 years in advance ?

Those "debunkings" you're fond of are, IMHO, poo-flings. Certainly in tone and, when as disingenuous & rhetorically with-intent-to-deceive as that one, in substance. They're attempts to assasaiate PROCEDURES (how one gets to there from here) when the point is the "there" in the first place.