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Well, at least he is not claiming that the planet Mars is a nice as the Earth.
This may seem a long way from archaeology,
but then the social phenomenon bear comparison.
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts would have us BELIEVE
that the planet Mars is as nice as the Earth,
while this poor fellow would have us BELIEVE
that the early Anglo-Saxons were not lying murdering thieves.
You need your pills again. You think the Anglo Saxons were martians. As I say you are cracking up. Waiting for the inevitable police visit
When confronted with evidence to the contrary,
that instead of being like the Earth,
Mars is a desolate uninhabitable rock
with a vacuum for an atmosphere
and bathed with deadly levels of radiation,
the manned Mars flight "enthusiasts" get both verbose and abusive,
which is exactly the behavior of this poor fellow.
I really would forget about Mars and get a good lawyer
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts are mentally stuck in the early 1950's,
the last time when people could BELIEVE
that Mars was like the Earth,
while this poor fellow is mentally stuck in 1978 or so,
before the development of regional archaeologies in Britain.
And you are stuck in 2006 aren't you, you old perv, at least that is the year your prefer.
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts will desperately grasp at any straw
to maintain their delusions,
and so will this poor fellow.
For the most recent demonstration of this
he and his friends can not understand that Roman knowledge of glass making
had spread from the Near East to other parts of the Empire.
Thus by their delusional "logic"
if glass is found which is not from the Near East,
it HAS to have been made by Anglo Saxons.
Oh dear cracking up again.
Let us not forget your own evidence:
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced,millefiori.
Your source not mine sweety - thanks
I suspect that to deal what they view as severe insurmountable difficulties in their lives
the manned Mars flight "enthusiasts" occupy their minds
with their fantasies about men on Mars.
I know all to well that when you deprive them of this mechanism
they will react like heroin addicts deprived of their fix.
I generally prefer heroin addicts to people with your fixations. At least they are adults.
And the same behaviors is seen in this poor delusional fellow's writings.
But in his case I think that we are seeing is a confusion of rationality with Anglo Saxon,
and his behaviors are best considered as
an attempt by him to bring a "rationality" to his world.
The problem that he has is that any rational examination of the data
shows that the early Anglo Saxons role in the real world was quite different,
that they were lying murdering thieves.
Oh deary me how upset you are. Poor poor Anglo Saxons, sob.
Did they tell lies?
But they didn't pretend to be native Americans so they could fraudulently run a casino like you eh
Lying seems to be your proffesion.
I'd also like to point out that in the real world
the Scots in Glasgow and Edinburg were famous
for their fine engineering skills and rationality.
Following on the losses in the trenches of the First World War,
it is a pleasure to see that logic
now applied to their ancient history once again.
Opps edinburgh was founded by the Anglo Saxons (hence the name) and Glasgow by the British. and the 19th century is not the fifth. EP screws up again
Let's have a review which might persuade this odious old fraud to do the right thing for the world
1. In a discussion about the acculturalisation of Roman Britian to Anglo-Saxon England dead head focuses on Southern Scotland a complete irrelevancy.
2. He admits to not reading any of the sources except a translation of Adomnan's life of St Columba - again a completely irrelevant text
3. He admits to not speaking any language other than English, but believes this is unneccessary - though all docs from this time are in Latin, the style and form of which are central to the discussion
4. Bizzarely he then claims to understand Pictish
5. He then claims the Anglo Saxons and Northern Europeans did not make any jewellery but that it all came from Scotland.
6. He then provides written analysis of the Staffordshire hoard which directly refutes his own point
7. He claims to have evidence of gold workshops run by the Picts but has no evidence of this.
8. We are then giving a map of Northern Europe so badly drawn that the town of Scone appears in Denmark
9. He then produces an image of a jewel whcih he claims is a seal and that seals are not found in the North Sea or Baltic, so must have been made by the picts. Forgetting that the very word seal is an angl-saxon one and that there are over 30,000 seals in Northern Europe even now.
10. He then claims that those who study the acculturilsation period are Nazi sympathisers.
11. Getting increasingly hysterical we are then told that people who doubt the universal supremacy of the Picts at this time also beleive the planet Mars is a paradise.
12. He peppers his replies with references to porn, 12 year olds and bestiality and confesses to having tried to dupe some US natives into letting him set up a gambling casino.
13 Needless to say all he states about visiting archaeological digs or havng been to Europe are lies easily disproven All that this individual does is try to to use the web to pretend to knowledge quoting material he has not actually read.
That such stupid infantile bilge gets on an archaeological board is dissapointing and one again has to ask where is the moderator
Simon21 wrote:
Let's have a review which might persuade this odious old fraud to do the right thing for the world
1. In a discussion about the acculturalisation of Roman Britian to Anglo-Saxon England dead head focuses on Southern Scotland a complete irrelevancy.
2. He admits to not reading any of the sources except a translation of Adomnan's life of St Columba - again a completely irrelevant text
3. He admits to not speaking any language other than English, but believes this is unneccessary - though all docs from this time are in Latin, the style and form of which are central to the discussion
4. Bizzarely he then claims to understand Pictish
5. He then claims the Anglo Saxons and Northern Europeans did not make any jewellery but that it all came from Scotland.
6. He then provides written analysis of the Staffordshire hoard which directly refutes his own point
7. He claims to have evidence of gold workshops run by the Picts but has no evidence of this.
8. We are then giving a map of Northern Europe so badly drawn that the town of Scone appears in Denmark
9. He then produces an image of a jewel whcih he claims is a seal and that seals are not found in the North Sea or Baltic, so must have been made by the picts. Forgetting that the very word seal is an angl-saxon one and that there are over 30,000 seals in Northern Europe even now.
10. He then claims that those who study the acculturilsation period are Nazi sympathisers.
11. Getting increasingly hysterical we are then told that people who doubt the universal supremacy of the Picts at this time also beleive the planet Mars is a paradise.
12. He peppers his replies with references to porn, 12 year olds and bestiality and confesses to having tried to dupe some US natives into letting him set up a gambling casino.
13 Needless to say all he states about visiting archaeological digs or havng been to Europe are lies easily disproven All that this individual does is try to to use the web to pretend to knowledge quoting material he has not actually read.
That such stupid infantile bilge gets on an archaeological board is dissapointing and one again has to ask where is the moderator
1. "Acculturalisation" is a strange way of describing the work of lying murdering thieves.
2.I read most of the standard texts on this period and area decades ago.
Our delusional acquaintance has admitted his complete inability to handle any more advanced materials such as the Saint's LIves.
3. I had a stroke and lost much of my language skills.
4. Actually, I have made no comment on the languages spoken by the "PIct" or the Vododdin.
The Caledonians (Cruit) were Y mt DNA and spoke a PIE language.
5. Our delusional acquaintance can not deal with the fact that no early Anglo Saxon metalsmit's workshops have yet been found,
at least no workshops where jewelry was made.
For that matter he is completely unfamiliar with metalworking in this area,
and with the metal deposits of the area as well.
As besides plundering Scotland, the early Anglo Saxons also plundered Ireland,
I expect that Irish motifs may be found in their plunder as well.
6.Bling found in the Stafforshire hoard used "Pict" motifs.
7. I have provided links to excavation reports of metalworkshops found in SW Sctoland.
8. Not my map, and likely this poor fellow has confused his scones.
9.What I said was that there were no seals in Gaul or Germania at the time that piece was made.
Once again: Scotland is in Northern Europe.
10. One has to question the sanity of anyone who sees lying murdering thieves as an advanced people.
11. What I said is that
the behavior of people who try to turn lying murdering thieves into an advanced people
is very similar to those who try to present Mars as being like the Earth.
12. That is one way of handling Australian rules debate.
Another way of handling Australian Rules debate is the Christian way:
They say that Jesus said that lying is a sin.
They also say that Jesus said that sinners would burn in hell.
And they say that Christ advised to love your enemies.
And so I say,
"May you enjoy the eternal warmth and benefits of Christian love."
Which is certainly very strange,
as I certainly never expected to find myself thought of as a Christian apologist.
While I do not know about Patrick or Gildas views on this,
I am pretty sure Columba would endorse this sentiment.
He was smitten by Angels, after all.
13. I have a box of "Geological Specimens" which I need to put into the mail.
The moderator is the same place she was when this poor deluded fellow
used her bbs to call tiompan a liar multiple times.
In all of our discussions on the meaning of "henge"
I never had to call tiompan a diseased sheep f****r.
Nor was I forced to point out to tiompan
that he would certainly burn in hell for all eternity.
But then tiompan did not debate using Australian Rules.
1. "Acculturalisation" is a strange way of describing the work of lying murdering thieves.
If that is hw you want to describe your ancestors that's up to you!
2.I read most of the standard texts on this period and area decades ago.
A silly lie. Similar to claiming you are a native American
2.Our delusional acquaintance has admitted his complete inability to handle any more advanced materials such as the Saint's LIves.
I speak and read Latin, you don't
3. I had a stroke and lost much of my language skills.
Another probable lie used to get sympathy when you tried to pull your native American scam.
4. Actually, I have made no comment on the languages spoken by the "PIct" or the Vododdin.
A ridiculous lie, made all the more stupid by making up the "Voddodin" people who do not exist
4 The Caledonians (Cruit) were Y mt DNA and spoke a PIE language.
No such people as the Cruit but the Cruith people spoke irish
5. Our delusional acquaintance can not deal with the fact that no early Anglo Saxon metalsmit's workshops have yet been found,
at least no workshops where jewelry was made.
No jewellry workshops have been found in the whole of Britain - but the evidence is overwhelming.
6. For that matter he is completely unfamiliar with metalworking in this area,
and with the metal deposits of the area as well.
From someon whose only expertise is that of a local Ohio hack journalist who tried to pull a scam with the local native Americans
5. As besides plundering Scotland, the early Anglo Saxons also plundered Ireland,
I expect that Irish motifs may be found in their plunder as well.
But Ireland didn't make any jewellry according to you. So lying self contradiction. And the Irish were raiding Britain at this time hence the tombstone.
6.Bling found in the Stafforshire hoard used "Pict" motifs.
Another silly lie they are not "Pictish motifs"
7. I have provided links to excavation reports of metalworkshops found in SW Sctoland.
A clear lie because you haven't
8. Not my map, and likely this poor fellow has confused his scones.
You used it
9.What I said was that there were no seals in Gaul or Germania at the time that piece was made.
Once again: Scotland is in Northern Europe.
Now we are claiming time travel? Scotland is in Northern Europe. But it is not in Denmark as you seem to think. Seal is an Anglo saxon word end of argument
10. One has to question the sanity of anyone who sees lying murdering thieves as an advanced people.
As opposed ot the sanity of someone who doesn't know where Scotland is, lies about non existent evidence, invesnt whole peoples, contradicts his own arguments and who has no idea who the Anglo Saxons even were. And of course who has establsihed form about lying to pursue his own ends
So game set and match to me again. But the good news is that our moderator is on the move so it can only be a short time before this individual and his scams are canned.
We can then concentrate on the archaeology leaving this pevert with his interests in 12 year olds, good porn and cheap con tricks to the wonders of talahassee Ohio, or perhaps the police
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When I worked through these materials decades ago, "Pict" exhibited PIE characteristics -
a whole lot of variants from Indo European speakers trying to record non Indo Euoprean phonology.
Problems with the aspirated consonants, r/l distinctions, t/d distinctions, o/u distinctions -
the same things seen with LInear B recordings of Liner A morphemes.
To my earlier list of the O/U medial vowel preceeding a tribal name to indicate kingship,
and the tribal name compounds with aka to indicate tribal lands,
I need to add the mac/mocu family term, which has parallels in Etruscan.
These morphemes are all PIE.
They now derive Clyde from Cruit.
I never imagined that kH r/l o/u dt could lead to Clyde,
but it is easy once you've seen it demonstrated as above -
think Cloide=>Clyde.
I had thought of the western PIcts (and I have not thought of them as southern PIcts or lowland Picts)
as Cruit (simple English approximation).
Their name may be better represented by kH r/l o/u t/d.
In addition to the r/l, o/u, and t/d spelling confusions,
we have consonants plus aspirates as another indication of PIE
(following Dr. Brown's work on Lycian and Luwian).
I never suspected
1)kH r/l o/u t/d => Caledonia
nor
2) kH r/l o/u t/d => Clyde
But then PIE morphology and IE morphology are pretty heavy sailing,
taking place over thousands of years, with very few sources to work with.
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When I worked through these materials decades ago, Pict exhibited PIE characteristics -
But Mr Pict accused me of harassing him and I was arrested. Fortunately my other interests remined secret.
a whole lot of variants from Indo European speakers tryng to record non Indo Euoprean phonology.
But unfortunately recording systems didn't exist until 20, 000 years later, so it all flopped
Problems with the aspirated consonants, r/l distinctions, t/d distinctions, o/u distinctions -
he same things seen with LInear B recordings of Liner A morphemes.
But if you notice the map above, they derive Clyde from Cruit.
I never imagined that kHo/ud/t could lead to Clyde,
but it is easy once you've seen it demonstrated as above -
think Cloide=>Clyde.
Shall we continue? Yes lets The precise name of the Clyde incidently , like most British river names is unknown.
"Problems with aspirated consonants"
Hilarious, whose "problem exactly"? How do you have a "problem" in pronounciation?, Who is havng the "problem". I think we can guess
I never imagined that kHo/ud/t could lead to Clyde,
Did Clyde appreciate it? Are you buddies now? You could use one
No I think on the whole we would all like to stay way out of your imagenings er.
This old conman's attempts to prove he knows someting grow increasingly more desperate.
Essentially the problem here is that we have an ignorant man using terms etc he simply does not understand.
Like many frauds he beleives if he can try to write like an academic (as he perceives an academic to be having obviously never met any - in fact real academics write extremely clearly) using phrases pulled from the internet he will somehow appear credible. Like old vacuum salesmen in the atomic age used atomic science terms to sell cleaners.
Our man's problem however is that he cannot write a coherent sentence - merely strings of clauses that bear no relation to each other and leave out meaning. One might have expected better from a hack journalist
Those who wonder where this person gets his incredibly pompous and pretentious style from shoule take a look at:
Oh yes indedy this heathens has got you in my sights old son, you need cleansing from your rotting lies and peversion and there is only one way to do that
There were no "Western Picts" in post Roman Scotland. More lies made up by the liar chief. Just as there were no "Cruit" and no "Voddodin" and no "Russians"
The Clyde valley area was a Brttonic kingdom based on Dumbarton - which means Fort of the British.
It is thought that the Coroticus in Patrick's epistle could be the king of this area:
Soldiers whom I no longer call my fellow citizens, or citizens of the Roman saints, but fellow citizens of the devils, in consequence of their evil deeds; who live in death, after the hostile rite of the barbarians; associates of the Scots and Apostate Picts; desirous of glutting themselves with the blood of innocent Christians, multitudes of whom I have begotten in God and confirmed in Christ.
Fascinatingly whoever Coroticus (Ceretic) and his men were they were clearly British Christians.
Patrick's Letter to Coroticus is pivotal to understanding this period and it is interesting how he says:
The very next day after my new converts, dressed all in white, were anointed with chrism, even as it was still gleaming upon their foreheads, they were cruelly cut down and killed by the swords of these same devilish men.
These were presumably Irish converts killed by Patrick's fellow British.
Apart from telling us that he British at this timne were raiding across the Irish Sea we also should note that Patrick obviously believed in mass conversion.
This is important because the Irish and Catholic churches grew apart - the Irish having a different kind of tonsure and little empahasis on bishops whereas the Catholics wer far more hierachial.
But were these differences begun by Patrick and his followers? Or did Patrick remain a follower of the British church which had been cut off from Rome, but still had an orthodox structure - and was bitterely despised by Bede for its refusal to convert the Saxons.
