Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:05 pm

We're talking about measuring the earth with a simple mechanical device, not adding 2 + 2, are you that dense?

oldarchystudent · Post by **oldarchystudent** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:08 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:We're talking about measuring the earth with a simple mechanical device, not adding 2 + 2, are you that dense?

You are the one that got it wrong, not me.

Here's some more for you, from an article about vo Daniken with similar ideas....

http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html

On the mysteries of the great Pyramid of Cheops: "is it coincidence that the area of the base of the pyramid divided by twice its height gives the celebrated figure Pi = 3.14159?" (p. 77)

Here our slippery trickster has made a claim which is easy enough to understand, but its refutation requires a higher level of mathematical sophistication, which is all the better for letting the deception go unnoticed! Without going into too much detail, let us observe that the famous number Pi is what is called a "dimensionless constant": it is a pure number, with which no units of measure are associated. However, the ratio of an area to height is not dimensionless, hence such a ratio cannot yield Pi. By choosing our units carefully, we can obtain the number 3.14159, but the ratio will not really be Pi, which is independent of any units of measure. If we measure the same pyramid, Von Daniken style, in inches, feet, and yards, we will obtain three different ratios. Choose your own units, and the ratio can be made to equal any number at all! Von Daniken writes that the pyramid of Cheops "has inspired hundreds of crazy and untenable theories". Not satisfied with this collection, he has given us one more.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:09 pm

look you two, this is the BOSNIAN PYRAMID THREAD, PLEASE TAK E YOUR GARBAGE ELSEWHERE.

i will start a thread just for you two so you do not have to hijack other people's discussions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:16 pm

Oas, what in the world does that have to do with the fact that the whole world (except you) accepts that the unit standard for the GP was the 20.632 royal cubit? Just ask Paul H (where'd you go Paul, vacation?)

oldarchystudent · Post by **oldarchystudent** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:17 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:Oas, what in the world does that have to do with the fact that the whole world (except you) accepts that the unit standard for the GP was the 20.632 royal cubit? Just ask Paul H (where'd you go Paul, vacation?)

read my links.

Should we take this to the thread provided by archy, or will you lose track again?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:19 pm

Again?

oldarchystudent · Post by **oldarchystudent** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:20 pm

moved - try to keep up

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:07 pm

to get this backon track, here is one of my posts concerning the schoch article, which now seems lost amidst the floating debris.

schoch definantly was not kind to Os. i wonder if this will finalkly put an end to the massacreof the hill and allow real archaeologists preserve what is left?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:15 pm

What is left?

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:46 pm

It's a lie to say no one can, but that's no surprise. No one wants to waste their time on nonsense.

From Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum", regarding Piazzi Smyth's "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid"

"I imagine that your author [Smith] holds that the height of the pyramid of Cheops is equal to the square root of the sum of the areas of all its sides. The measurements must be made in feet, the foot being closer to the Egyptian and Hebrew cubit, and not in meters, for the meter is an abstract length invented in modern times. The Egyptian cubit comes to 1.728 feet. If we do not know the precise height, we can use the pyramidion, which was the small pyramid set atop the Great Pyramid, to form its tip. It was of gold or some other metal that shone in the sun. Take the height of the pyramidion, multiply it by the height of the whole pyramid, multiply the total by ten to the fifth, and we obtain the circumference of the earth. What's more, if you multiply the perimeter of the base by twenty-four to the third divided by two, you get the earth's radius. Further, the area of the base of the pyramid multiplied by ninety-six times ten to the eighth gives us one hundred ninety-six million eight hundred and ten thousand square miles, which is the surface area of the earth. Am I right?"

Belbo liked to convey amazement with an expression he had learned in the cinematheque, from the original-language version of Yankee Doodle Dandy, starring James Cagney: "I'm flabbergasted!" This is what he said now. Aglie also knew colloquial English, apparently, because he couldn't hide the satisfaction at this tribute to his vanity. "My friends," he said, "when a gentleman, whose name is unknown to me, pens a compilation on the mystery of the pyramids, he can only say what by now even children know. I would have been surprised if he had said anything new."

"So the writer is simply repeating established truths?"

"Truths?" Aglie laughed, and again opened for us the box of his deformed and delicious cigars. "Quid est veritas, as a friend of mine said many years ago. Most of it is nonsense. To begin with, if you divide the base of the pyramid by exactly twice the height, and do not round off, you don't get pi, you get 3.1417254. A small difference, but essential. Further, a disciple of Piazzi Smyth, Flinders Petrie, who also measured Stonehenge, reports that one day he caught the master chipping at a granite wall of the royal antechamber, to make his sums work out ... Gossip, perhaps, but Piazzi Smyth was not a man to inspire trust; you had only to see the way he tied his cravat. Still, amid all the nonsense there are some unimpeachable truths. Gentlemen, would you follow me to the window?"

He threw open the shutters dramatically and pointed. At the corner of the narrow street and the broad avenue, stood a little wooden kiosk, where, presumably, lottery tickets were sold.

"Gentlemen," he said, "I invite you to go and measure that kiosk. You will see that the length of the counter is one hundred and forty-nine centimeters -- in other words, one hundred-billionth of the distance between the earth and the sun. The height at the rear, one hundred and seventy-six centimeters, divided by the width of the window, fifty-six centimeters, is 3.14. The height at the front is nineteen decimeters, equal, in other words, to the number of years of the Greek lunar cycle. The sum of the heights of the two front corners and the two rear corners is one hundred and ninety times two plus one hundred seventy-six times two, which equals seven hundred and thirty-two, the date of the victory at Poitiers. The thickness of the counter is 3.10 centimeters, and the width of the cornice of the window is 8.8 centimeters. Replacing the numbers before the decimals by the corresponding letters of the alphabet, we obtain C for ten and H for eight, or C10H8, which is the formula for naphthalene."

"Fantastic," I said. "You did all these measurements?"

"No," Aglie said. "They were done on another kiosk, by a certain Jean-Pierre Adam. But I would assume that all lottery kiosks have more or less the same dimensions. With numbers you can do anything you like. Suppose I have the sacred number 9 and I want to get the number 1314, date of the execution of Jacques de Molay -- a date dear to anyone who, like me, professes devotion to the Templar tradition of knighthood. What do I do? Multiply nine by one hundred and forty six, the fateful day of the destruction of Carthage. How did I arrive at this? I divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by two, by three, et cetera, until I found a satisfying date. I could also have divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by 6.28, the double of 3.14, and I would have got two hundred and nine. That is the year in which Attalus I, king of Pergamon, joined the anti-Macedonian League. You see?"

The person who I cribbed this from found some marvelous mystical mathematics in his bathroom also.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:08 am

So Doug, what is your point in posting that long strange quote?

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:16 am

Genesis Veracity wrote:So Doug, what is your point in posting that long strange quote?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:30 am

Hey Doug, do you think that 440 royal cubits compose a base side length of the Great Pyramid of Giza?

Do you think that the length of the royal cubit (20.632") x 440 x 4 x 43,200 equals within .5% of 21,600 nautical miles (earth circumference)?

Starflower · Post by **Starflower** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:04 am

Doug loved the quote, it's a favorite book of mine. My statistics professor quoted it all the time. I find the concept fascinating that you can take the same numbers and come up with so many different conclusions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:09 am

Same questions to you Starflower, can you respond specifically to the information in the questions, or are you, like Doug, just a glosser?