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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:28 pm
by Ishtar
DNA and the Origins of Knowledge
Q&A with Jeremy Narby by Todd Stewart
Could you sum up your book "The Cosmic Serpent, DNA and the Origins of Knowledge"?
Research indicates that shamans access an intelligence, which they say is nature's, and which gives them information that has stunning correspondences with molecular biology.
Your hypothesis of a hidden intelligence contained within the DNA of all living things is interesting. What is this intelligence?
Intelligence comes from the Latin inter-legere, to choose between. There seems to be a capacity to make choices operating inside each cell in our body, down to the level of individual proteins and enzymes. DNA itself is a kind of "text" that functions through a coding system called "genetic code," which is strikingly similar to codes used by human beings. Some enzymes edit the RNA transcript of the DNA text and add new letters to it; any error made during this editing can be fatal to the entire organism; so these enzymes are consistently making the right choices; if they don't, something often goes wrong leading to cancer and other diseases. Cells send one another signals, in the form of proteins and molecules. These signals mean: divide, or don't divide, move, or don't move, kill yourself, or stay alive. Any one cell is listening to hundreds of signals at the same time, and has to integrate them and decide what to do. How this intelligence operates is the question.
DNA has essentially maintained its structure for 3.5 billion years. What role does DNA play in our evolution?
DNA is a single molecule with a double helix structure; it is two complementary versions of the same "text" wrapped around each other; this allows it to unwind and make copies of itself: twins! This twinning mechanism is at the heart of life since it began. Without it, one cell could not become two, and life would not exist. And, from one generation to the next, the DNA text can also be modified, so it allows both constancy and transformation. This means that beings can be the same and not the same. One of the mysteries is what drives the changes in the DNA text in evolution. DNA has apparently been around for billions of years in its current form in virtually all forms of life. The old theory—random accumulation of errors combined with natural selection—does not fully explain the data currently generated by genome sequencing. The question is wide open.
The structure of DNA as we know it is made up of letters and thus has a specific text and language. You could say our bodies are made up of language, yet we assume that speech arises from the mind. How do we access this hidden language?
By studying it. There are several roads to knowledge, including science and shamanism.
The symbol of the Cosmic Serpent, the snake, is a central theme in your story, and in your research you discover that the snake forms a major part of the symbology across most of the world’s traditions and religions. Why is there such a consistent system of natural symbols in the world? Is the world inherently symbolic?
This is the observation that led me to investigate the cosmic serpent. I found the symbol in shamanism all over the world. Why? That's a good question. My hypothesis is that it is connected to the double helix of DNA inside virtually all living beings. And DNA itself is a symbolic Saussurian code. So, yes, in at least one important way, the living world is inherently symbolic. We are made of living language.
So if everything is created, sustained and finally destroyed by a living language, a living intelligence, that existed long before man did, what is that original intelligence and where does it come from?
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:36 pm
by Ishtar
Forum Monk wrote:woodrabbit wrote:His first shamanic DNA sketch
Hmmm. Drop some acid and contemplate the structure of the universe (or your navel if easily distracted) and thirty years later you are hailed a Shaman. I estimate there must have been about 90,000 practicing Shamans in 1967 during the "summer of love".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love
Huh? And we used to call ourselves hippies. Gotta admit though, shaman does sound better on a Curriculum Vitae.

Good joke, FM - but no.
It takes a hell of lot more than dropping a tab of acid to make a shaman - otherwise how can you explain the fact that most shamans don't take psychotropics?
Please see my reply in answer to John about whether Hunter S Thompson was a shaman on the Everything else thread:
http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewt ... 5&start=45
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:39 pm
by Forum Monk
Then I assume, you agree with me, that Francis Crick was not a Shaman.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:40 pm
by Forum Monk
Ishtar wrote:So if everything is created, sustained and finally destroyed by a living language, a living intelligence, that existed long before man invented his own language, what it that original intelligence and where does it come from?
Well of course its....
nah too easy...
it must be a setup.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:51 pm
by Ishtar
FM, you don't have to be a Christian, a creationist or even an anti-evolutionist to believe in a divine intelligence (by divine, I mean in it's original context, from the Sanskrit 'deva' meaning 'spirit').
No, Frances Crick was not a shaman, but the drug gave him a flash of visionary inspiration.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:08 am
by Ishtar
Forum Monk wrote:Then I assume, you agree with me, that Francis Crick was not a Shaman.

Sorry FM. Just realised you were joking. I don't get humour until I've had my breakfast, so I think I'll go and have some now.
Sorry to sound so pedantic.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:11 am
by woodrabbit
Y'all
Didn't mean to imply Crick was a Shaman, just that in an altered state he may have taken a dip into a pool that was deeper than his ordinary lab/pub experience that provided an insight outside of ordinary reality that had some serious traction that would be otherwise unforseen.
My hunch is Ish would make a distinction between being a Shaman and being a Shamanic practitioner.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:19 am
by Ishtar
woodrabbit wrote:
My hunch is Ish would make a distinction between being a Shaman and being a Shamanic practitioner.

That's more than a hunch, woodrabbit - you've trained under Michael Harner so you know that 'dems de rules'!
So yes I have to refer to myself as a shamanic practitioner, but I'm not sure why!

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:28 am
by rich
What is the difference between a shaman and a shamanic practitioner?
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:39 am
by Ishtar
I don't know. Rich. But even my shamanic teacher, Simon Buxton, will not refer to himself as a shaman because he says that it's a bit like calling yourself a hero.
I'm not sure I agree - especially in his case. He's been practising shamanism for more than 40 years. When we were all just rolling around in the mud with each another during the Summer of Love, and taking LSD for kicks, he was just beginning a rigorous 11 year apprenticeship with a Bee Master in the Quantock Hills, and he's been practising ever since.
He is an immensely powerful guy - and yet at the same time, very humble and sincere.
So if he won't call himself a shaman, I certainly can't refer to myself as one!

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:45 am
by rich
Ok - thanks. I was just wondering if being a practitioner is more akin to a priest - ie - turning the shaman tradition into a religion. I wonder if that had to do with the original startup of the religions - looking up to the original shaman and as a result the pupils ending up becoming the priests? Not so much as meaning to turn it into religion but the end result would be the same.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:00 am
by Ishtar
I don't know...Simon is very hot on us showing our clients how to get their own power back and then to remain self empowered. We try to teach them again how to trust themselves, their judgements and their own intuition. By getting their own power back, they come back into balance and are healed. By having their own power, they can go and live their lives. They are not dependent on us, or anyone else.
The definition of a good or effective healer is one who doesn't have any patients/clients in their waiting room. They've come, they've got the healing and they've gone. This doesn't happen in conventional medicine. Doctors and hospital waiting rooms are usually full to overflowing.
The last thing I would want is to have people become dependent on me, which is what religion is all about. Also, if my ego succeeded in persuading me to set up this kind of a dynamic with my clients, the spirits would desert me and I would quickly lose power - so I would be useless anyway - which is probably what happened with religion.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:04 am
by woodrabbit
Outside of an indigenous or archaic context, The title of "Shaman" makes me a bit uneasy particularly as seen in the west in the last 20 years.
Shamanism is a practice of journeying between ordinary and non-ordinary reality. Think accessing the whole iceberg above and below instead of just what is seen above the water line. The Shaman provides a service to the community in bringing back information from the larger multidimensional universe that can be usefull to the rest of us living day to day doing the best we can in Ordinary reality above the water line.
Without the position of designation by an entire community and its elders or as a unbroken lineage holder, I think it would be presumptous to call oneself a Shaman, no matter what the skills. Humble is usually a good indicator of the real deal.
But to navigate the membrane(s) between the seen and the unseen could be called practicing things Shamanic.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:07 am
by Ishtar
woodrabbit wrote:
Without the position of designation by an entire community and its elders or as a unbroken lineage holder, I think it would be presumptous to call oneself a Shaman, no matter what the skills.
Thanks, woodrabbit. That's a very good point. Of course, we don't even have tribes to designate us now, let alone unbroken lineage holders.
But I believe that spirits choose who they want to work with - then and now.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:10 am
by rich
Possibly - but I don't mean to say they did it on purpose - only that it may have turned out that way because they held the original shaman in such reverence that they looked up to them as man-gods (or she-gods). The observing public would have seen this and it could have had a different effect than what was intended.
I was trying to relate this not only to chritianity but to other religions as well, but the christian religion would be a perfect example. But there again I feel it is again a retelling of a much older tale of a man turned god. Each culture would of course change it to their take on it. The greeks had Hercules become a deity after death. The Egyptians, the Mesopotamians, the Phoenecians, and probably all of them if I'm seeing this right.