I'm just aksing all those who are so concerned about bosnia archeological heritage, are they eaqually concerned about WORLD'S archeological heritage. Some of people here signed letter to UNESCO regarding Visocica Hill. I would like to see has anybody signed simmilar letter to UNESCO when far more immportant archeological sites were endangered in Iraq. I think scientists should have same principles. regardless on time and place. Or they like to play game of political corectess sometimes.
So has anybody signed any latter to UNESCO regarding Iraq archeological sites? Is it so difficult to answer this one?
eratoh wrote:the world won't stop screaming because the world knows they are defending principles and peoples from crooks and cons.
the days of praising yourselves will soon be at an end. you might want to plan for that.
Could you please tell me did you raised your voice and defend your principles regarding this:
according to UK News Report
LONDON (Reuters) - Jan 14/05 - U.S.-led forces, using Iraq (news - web sites)'s ancient city of Babylon as a military base, have caused "substantial damage" to one of the world's most renowned archaeological treasures, a British Museum report said.
The report, quoted in Saturday's Guardian newspaper, said U.S. and Polish military vehicles had crushed 2,600-year-old pavements in the city, a cradle of civilization and home to one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Archaeological fragments were used to fill sand bags, it added.
John Curtis, keeper of the museum's Ancient and Near East department, invited to visit Babylon by Iraqi antiquities experts, also said he had found cracks and gaps made by people who had apparently tried to gouge out the decorated bricks forming the famous dragons of the city's Ishtar Gate.
U.S. military commanders set up a base in Babylon in April 2003, just after the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), and handed it over to a Polish-led force five months later.
"This is tantamount to establishing a military camp around the Great Pyramid in Egypt or around Stonehenge in Britain," Curtis said in the report.
some things happen in such a way that you are powerless to do anything. other things happen in a way that you aren't.
as a canadian, i assure you, if we could do anything about it we would. we try. we try very hard. but look at who we are. we are not them and if they didn't do what they do, we'd be better off here too.
eratoh wrote:the world won't stop screaming because the world knows they are defending principles and peoples from crooks and cons.
the days of praising yourselves will soon be at an end. you might want to plan for that.
Could you please tell me did you raised your voice and defend your principles regarding this:
according to UK News Report
LONDON (Reuters) - Jan 14/05 - U.S.-led forces, using Iraq (news - web sites)'s ancient city of Babylon as a military base, have caused "substantial damage" to one of the world's most renowned archaeological treasures, a British Museum report said.
The report, quoted in Saturday's Guardian newspaper, said U.S. and Polish military vehicles had crushed 2,600-year-old pavements in the city, a cradle of civilization and home to one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Archaeological fragments were used to fill sand bags, it added.
John Curtis, keeper of the museum's Ancient and Near East department, invited to visit Babylon by Iraqi antiquities experts, also said he had found cracks and gaps made by people who had apparently tried to gouge out the decorated bricks forming the famous dragons of the city's Ishtar Gate.
U.S. military commanders set up a base in Babylon in April 2003, just after the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), and handed it over to a Polish-led force five months later.
"This is tantamount to establishing a military camp around the Great Pyramid in Egypt or around Stonehenge in Britain," Curtis said in the report.
some things happen in such a way that you are powerless to do anything. other things happen in a way that you aren't.
as a canadian, i assure you, if we could do anything about it we would. we try. we try very hard. but look at who we are. we are not them and if they didn't do what they do, we'd be better off here too.
All I'm saying that scientists, escpecially archeologists should have same principles for everything. Most probably nobody could prevent what they done, but there must be a moral couridge at least to write a protest letter to UNESCO. That's where is different between true scientists and "pen pushers" who are big enough to scream only if they have smaller person in front of them.
well if there was someone reporting from the scene from day 1, maybe a big scream could have been created. the situation where you are powerless is one where you don't know its beeing done till its done.
No,it is not import.It is from original accidental exavation before 20 years in one of the Balcan states-not Bosnia.It is representing the goddes in wich name has been builded the temple.Temple has never been exavated and probably will be never done that.
eratoh wrote:well if there was someone reporting from the scene from day 1, maybe a big scream could have been created. the situation where you are powerless is one where you don't know its beeing done till its done.
You are right there. But was Mr. harding visited perhaps archeological sites in Iraq, to see what is going on there? In Bosnia, he spent 15 minutes on Visocica, sneaked among tourists, without one single word with archeologists working there. And then bravely goes out in the public, claiming that "everything there is natural". So please tell me is this right way to asses or recommend anything?
f9 wrote:No,it is not import.It is from original accidental exavation before 20 years in one of the Balcan states-not Bosnia.It is representing the goddes in wich name has been builded the temple.Temple has never been exavated and probably will be never done that.
even in ancient times it could get to balkan peninsula by trade. Such single, isolated artefact cannot prove anything. And for every artefact you have to know where is found, on which depth, everything. "In one balkan country" means nothing. please forgive me, but in archeology, it sounds as "once long long time ago in one beatiful kingdom"...words that many fairytales begin with. And most probably there's no such temple, because goverment of that country surely would excavate it by now.
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f9 wrote:And it is not a coke bottle ,but it is marble statuet of ancient Egiptian goddes Isis.
Well, if you're sure it's Isis, than it's simple explanation of it: goddess Isis was adored throughout Roman empire. In that case, it is possible to have Isis temples on the teritory of Roman empire. But Isis religious cult was imported to Rome in first century AD, so has nothing to do with pyramids or earlier egyptian culture. That's why we can talk only abour Roman Isis temples, not egyptian temples.
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The position of the temple is nown,exavation have been done only on smoll area and have been stoped.Building have been raised on part of the temple.Probably have some chance to be done exavation on 3/4 of the temple if the city council and state have been aproved for dislocation of the objects builded on top of that before 20 years wich are housing some 140 people.Till now no money have been on sight for these options.It is not only this artefact,but this is most famous.
f9 wrote:The position of the temple is nown,exavation have been done only on smoll area and have been stoped.Building have been raised on part of the temple.Probably have some chance to be done exavation on 3/4 of the temple if the city council and state have been aproved for dislocation of the objects builded on top of that before 20 years wich are housing some 140 people.Till now no money have been on sight for these options.It is not only this artefact,but this is most famous.
From 1st century AD, Isis temples were built all over Roman empire. It's religous cult "imported" from Egypt to Rome in that period and it doesn't represent "ancient" ties of Egypt and Europe.
Romans has nothing to do with this.Dating have been done and is probably older than 2 to 3 century.On this artefact it is clear helenistic influence, wich is not a rule in artefacts.Have another statuete from same location wich is cleary ancient Egiptian product.
This have raised simmilar mania like now in Bosnia,and one etnic group from the region have even claimed descedance from Ancient Egyptians
what is little bit funny.
f9 wrote:Romans has nothing to do with this.Dating have been done and is probably older than 2 to 3 century.On this artefact it is clear helenistic influence, wich is not a rule in artefacts.Have another statuete from same location wich is cleary ancient Egiptian product.
This have raised simmilar mania like now in Bosnia,and one etnic group from the region have even claimed descedance from Ancient Egyptians
what is little bit funny.
f9 wrote:Romans has nothing to do with this.Dating have been done and is probably older than 2 to 3 century.On this artefact it is clear helenistic influence, wich is not a rule in artefacts.Have another statuete from same location wich is cleary ancient Egiptian product.
This have raised simmilar mania like now in Bosnia,and one etnic group from the region have even claimed descedance from Ancient Egyptians
what is little bit funny.
IT IS REALLY FUNNY.
but again, it has nothing to do with "ancient" ties of Egypt and Europe. Even if it's proven date from helenistic times, it was imported by Alexander's soldier's or greek traders. Alexander procalimed himself as one of Egyptian gods:) And even in Egypt I think Isis cult comes somewhat later, within middle Kingdom. her name was mentioned before, (5th dynasty I think), but becomes immportant later in egyptian history.
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being one with no discernable culture or heritage to speak of, i'd say a big part of your problem is having so much culture you can't quite deal with it all. we'd know because we dream about that like the lottery. if we had some first we'd do this then that...
the best you can do is making sure its know that its accessible and oz has done a great deal towards that. you are fortnate that its in nobodys interest to suppress such discoveries when they are made.
