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[marduk]

Somehow, conditions in nature must exist that led someone (doubtlessly brighter than the rest) to see what was possible when those rocks were heated.

well I think if anything that proves that you never built a campfire min

[Forum Monk]

Yet, Monk, somehow man came to understand that heating certain rocks led to a useful by-product. It seems quite safe to say that the proper furnaces were not designed before the metal was discovered.

Somehow, conditions in nature must exist that led someone (doubtlessly brighter than the rest) to see what was possible when those rocks were heated.

Min, I agree. And there's no doubt geniuses are born to every generation. In Europe, there was a progression to iron, which went from pottery, to copper, to bronze and then iron. In this case, it appears as a quantum leap so to speak. To be sure, Charlie is not the only one pulling iron pieces out of the ground. Check out some of the other sites, linked on Charlie's web site. Look at some of Allan Day's finds in Ohio and his links on his website. These guys are on the cutting edge of a new paradigm.

I am rebellious enough and wise enough to know it is not a good idea to say something is fixed in stone e.g. Clovis first and only; and any other possibility is impossible.

I think Charlie, especially may have a lot to prove because he may have found prototypical furnaces. I think it can only help him to try to blow holes in his reasoning, because whether they turn out to be furnace or not, he has found something very unique.

[Charlie Hatchett]

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[Beagle]

As to the blowholes being connected, I was advised to leave the remaining intact fill in situ, until Steve Kissin comes this summer. He feels important dating and other relevant data can be gleaned from the in situ fill.

I hadn't given that a thought Charlie, but it's so obvious when you say it.
That will be good news when Kissin gets there.

[Charlie Hatchett]

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[Minimalist]

I think it can only help him to try to blow holes in his reasoning, because whether they turn out to be furnace or not, he has found something very unique.

I used to give Charlie a lot of grief about his "rocks", too, Monk. Certainly when orthodoxy responds (if it responds.....they have a tendency to ignore the inconvenient) it will be with exactly the type of questions you are asking.

It wasn't too long ago that I was suggesting that Charlie just cook a couple of these rocks in a charcoal fire to see what happens. Science is about experimentation.

[Forum Monk]

I used to give Charlie a lot of grief about his "rocks", too, Monk.

Somehow Min, I should have expected that, because my impression of you is you have been around enough to have seen it all and heard it all. If somehow, Charlie has convinced you there is something happening in Texas, that in itself, must be some kind of evidence.

It should be an interesting year, coming up.

[Minimalist]

Well, he has convinced me that he is finding stones in which someone spent a lot of time working the edges. From studying his photos I can see where the business edge of some of those tools show clear signs of wear.

Using stone tools to shape metal seems a bit backwards, though. If you have iron why not use iron tools to shape new iron tools?

[Minimalist]

Charlie,

Check the dating!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0%2 ... %2C00.html

Archaeologists have found the remains of a 120,000-year-old Stone Age hunting camp in an open-cast lignite mine near Inden in the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

[Charlie Hatchett]

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[Minimalist]

Hey, Charlie,

I finished moving my mother in law into a new apartment yesterday so, the rest of February is clear, as is March.

What would be a good time for you?

[Charlie Hatchett]

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[Cognito]

How long you figure you can come for? If less than a week, then weekdays would be best: kids are at school and wife's at work.

Bring a good digital camera with lots of memory.

Cool dude!

Wait a frikkin minute! I'm gone from the Forum for a couple of days and you went and invited Min on an overnight? Holy Shit! This Forum is falling apart! We're only supposed to write to each other ... not visit! Dammit, Charlie. Does that mean I need to share my artifacts, too?