Europes Oldest Civilization Discovered

[marduk]

scholar Katherine Forsyth has convincingly demonstrated that the Pictish language was thoroughly Celtic, and not a throwback or a surviving pocket of a pre-Indo-European world.

Thats not what she says at all
this is what she says on page 41 of Language in Pictland

I do not rule out the possibility of a pre celtic substratum influence on pictish, In fact I regard it as all but certain

Pre celtic
what can she mean
how could there be a pre celtic influence on pictish if as you claim the picts were actually misidentified celts

your second quote if you had actually read it actually supports my view

"The Irish Attocotti and the Picts were probably Celtic peoples, although some linguists claim to be able to detect a pre-Indo-European element in the Pictish language" p263
B. Cunliffe The Ancient Celts (London. Penguin Books.1999) ISBN 0140254226

Katherine Forsyth says at the end of Language in Pictland that you should leave it to the linguists to decide
and the linguists say that pictish is a pre celtic language
so there

[Minimalist]

[Guest]

Thats not what she says at all
this is what she says on page 41 of Language in Pictland
"I do not rule out the possibility of a pre celtic substratum influence on pictish, In fact I regard it as all but certain"

And she then says it can be considered irrelevant. READ it. Anyway, if Pictish was supposedly pre-Celtic, how exactly could it influence itself?!

your second quote if you had actually read it actually supports my view

No, it doesn't; it merely points out that some people believe that. At no point does Barry Cunliffe actually say he agrees with it.

Katherine Forsyth says at the end of Language in Pictland that you should leave it to the linguists to decide
and the linguists say that pictish is a pre celtic language
so there

And how would YOU know what linguists say, since you steadfastly refuse to post any evidence to back your claims up? You have already been given evidence that the majority of linguists believe nothing of the kind.
You've seen evidence to back up my claims; now either post evidence to back up your own, or GROW UP!

[Minimalist]

[marduk]

GROW UP!

whatever

You have already been given evidence that the majority of linguists believe nothing of the kind.

actually you haven't introduced any evidence of the sort, just the opposite in fact as Katherine Forsyth says leave it to the linguists to decide so your claimed star witness refutes you as well
the only factual thing you've said the whole way through is that the romans named the picts. a ten year old child could tell you that much
you claim to be a professional archaeologist yet you're not out on a dig at the moment. the definition of a professional is that they get paid to do it
from what I can see you might possibly get paid to shoot your big fat mouth off but thats about it
why don't you try politics or become a union rep.

you know its said that the first person to start shouting has lost the argument
you did that on your first post
and in everyone that followed it
LOSER

[john]

ummm. its entirely logical to me that there were, gasp, pre-celtic cultures. speaking of britain in particular - easy target. i'm not particularly enthused about all the celtic culture bodice ripping that's going on. simple question, seeing as how britain had obviously been occupied well before the sexy celts wandered in, i would say that what we are dealing with is a form of advertisement, rather than science.


otter

[Guest]

These are the statements Marduk made FIVE pages ago:

The picts are an ancient pre celtic people
they started off in the North of scotland wales and ireland
Life in Britain predates the romans and the celts by quite a margin
the Celts arrived around 2000bce
and the picts were already here
in many cases Celtic gods are in fact of pictish origin

He has been given plenty of evidence to prove it's rubbish. He has been given plenty of opportunity to provide supporting evidence of his own. He can't, because there isn't any! Instead, he prefers juvenile attempts at ridicule and insults, because when it comes down to it, he's just an immature troll. He claims to be 37, but act likes a 7 year old.

[stan]

AS to the dispute between Marduck and RK,
I would think that "I don't know" would be an appropriate
occasional response.
But I suppose that is out of the question.

But how about "Nobody knows."?
That seems to be the correct response to questions about the identity of prehistoric Britons. i mean, way back, there were H heidelbergensis there, right?
And there were periods during the last ice age when people could walk to
"France" and back or vice versa.

I really don't understand the "heat" that keeps this kettle boiling, aside from the personal insults...

[Guest]

Stan,
The proper procedure for anyone making statements like "the Celts arrived in Britain in 2000BCE and the Picts were already here" would be to provide supporting evidence, yes?
He claimed "to be of Pictish ancestry", yet didn't provide any evidence for that either.
He knows nothing about me, but claims I'm unemployed! Evidence? Don't be stupid.....
At one point, he asked if I'd been dumped by my boyfriend. I'm married......
If he doesn't have any evidence to back his claims up-and he doesn't- he only has to say so. I've done my bit.

[stan]

RK, I was trying to be diplomatic.
But I think you've gotten the better of the argument.

[Guest]

Apologies, Stan........and ta!

[Starflower]

RK - 2 Marduk - hmm

[stan]

RK wrote:

ta!

Gosh, nobody's ever said "ta" to me before!

[Guest]

Well, "cheers" sounds so...common

[Minimalist]

Well, "cheers" sounds so...common

But "Cheers" comes with a drink!