Noah's Flood...

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:37 pm

john wrote:For if you tie your faith to text, you sink with text.

remember that statement, doc.

cerberos waits on the other side..............

john

dr -

youre wrong.

it is cerberos (from the gr. kerberos - gotta get the attic alphabet on this box), although you ambushed me with a technicality. the oed spelling is kerberus, preferring the latin tag to the greek tag i automatically used.

now i gotta read about 99 pages of floodlust.

back soon.

j

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:56 pm

No.

--J.D.

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:36 pm

veracity -

as samuel clemens often commented - in another context - just speaking your chosen internet handle is a sarcasm.

however..........

i only need you to confirm three dates:

1.) the creation of the earth, and all within, by god.

2.) noah's flood

3.) the birth of jchrist.

i don't need it to the month or day. the year would suffice.

john

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:15 pm

Creation about 6,000 years ago.

Noah's Flood about 4,400 years ago.

Birth of Jesus Christ around 2,000 years ago.

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:19 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:Creation about 6,000 years ago.

Noah's Flood about 4,400 years ago.

Birth of Jesus Christ around 2,000 years ago.

did the creation include the entire universe or just the earth?

j

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:20 pm

Entire universe.

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:27 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:Entire universe.

so, before 4k bc, god was doing what? there was no universe, or earth. biblical evidence please.

god ruled a vacuum, nothing?

j

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:46 pm

"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."

That says in the beginning, so before the beginning, there was no time as we know it, so there was no matter either, because matter requires time to respond to the second law of thermodynamics.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:01 pm

Creation about 6,000 years ago.

Noah's Flood about 4,400 years ago.

please offer some references or links to corroborate such dates besides Ussher. no one knows the dates of these so don't hang your hats on these.

i can see that this genesis veracity fellow knows nothing especially since God has stated that He has no beginning nor end, thus God was doing something prior to the creation of the world but it is not germane to our lives thus it will not be in the biblical record.

so there was no matter either, because matter requires time to respond to the second law of thermodynamics

please, please provide some credible reference to substantiate this statement, your word is not good enough.

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:08 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."

That says in the beginning, so before the beginning, there was no time as we know it, so there was no matter either, because matter requires time to respond to the second law of thermodynamics.

so, before the beginning, by god's own argument, he didn't exist because there was zip nada, nothing, including hisself.

nothing = nothing. including god.

so if god was a something, despite his definition (prior to the creation) that there was absolutely nothing, then he gives the lie to his own argument from the git go.

this would indicate that, like the universe or humans, god was created by sumpin' else.

unless you have evidence that, contrary to his own evidence, god existed in a vacuum.

and nature abhors a vacuum.

biblical commentary please?

j

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:18 pm

****PLEASE MODS

BEFORE you ban genesis veracity have him explain his statements and answer the questions with credible sources and references

he needs to provide something before he goes to the wasteland of stupidity****
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no comment necessary.............. this was provided by arch on another thread.

j

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:24 pm

John, john, there was no matter, and therefore, no time, think about it, that is not to say that God didn't exist then.

You guys go crying to the moderator like a bunch of school kids.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:26 pm

Archaeologist, you should learn to read for comprehension.

john · Post by **john** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:31 pm

that is not to say that God didn't exist then.

awfully weak statement.

so - bypassing your acknowledment that there was a universe before the universe -

-and that god is composed of neither matter nor time -

just exactly what was the previous universe composed of?

biblical references, please.

j

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:33 pm

The universe is matter, so there was no previous universe.