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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:11 am
by Digit
Oh I agree Cog. Due to the pacifist dogma of our government not one member of it has ever heard a bullet fired in anger. One of our ministers couldn't be bothered to end his holiday and so left our forces in Iraq without body armour, with predictable results.
In Afganistan our forces recently refused to patrol because their ammo wouldn't fire! Technically that is mutiny, but they wouldn't dare try to punish anyone for that!
Training for our paratroops has been stopped for 4 years, because of the expense, yet this government has sent more of our troops into service than any government since WW2.
Our troops have even had to rely on the good offices of your troops for rations and munitions and even to purchase boots and armour out of their own pocket. All so Saint Tony can imitate a world leader!
Oh and one other point, the returning troops are treated by our Moslem 'brothers' like shit!
Wait till we all pull out of Iraq then they can get down to serious killing!
Troops
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:25 am
by Cognito
Oh and one other point, the returning troops are treated by our Moslem 'brothers' like shit!
Wait till we all pull out of Iraq then they can get down to serious killing!
When "allied forces" (Britain and the US) entered Iraq I believed at that time that we should tri-partition the country: give the north to Turkey as a protectorate, the central and southern portions to Iran, and let the Sunnis pound sand in the western desert. Then leave and let them all kill each other to work out the final details. It's only a temporary solution like Poland in the 18th Century, but can last for decades and brings the boys home.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:29 am
by marduk
Remember both, if you ever experience a major disaster, (and survive it), it will probably be a soldier who digs you out!
i'll bear that in mind the next time Berkshire has a devastating earthquake
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:41 am
by Digit
Or a bomb from our Moslem 'brothers' Marduk? I was one of the nuts who supported our action in Iraq Cog, but like you, I understood that partition was the only really acceptable solution to people who can't live together.
I say I was a nut because it never occurred to me that our leaders had no plans past the victory celebrations.
What sort of leadership is that?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:05 am
by Minimalist
One out of 535 families is not leadership.
A message that started at the very top.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:35 am
by marduk
Or a bomb from our Moslem 'brothers' Marduk
you sounhd like its something new Digit
i used to live in london when it was popular as a holiday destination for the provos
one bomb missed me by 2 minutes
another by about 400feet
I didn't let it bother me
its called living in the modern world apparently
you should know
I'm sure you've heard of the luftwaffe
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:18 am
by Digit
Heard of the Luftwaffe? Er yes, they put me in hospital at the age of four plus I was born in a hail of German machine gun bullets. But that doesn't mean I have to accept that Moslems have the right to murder in support of their religion. Nor any other group either. Some years ago an IRA bomber accidentally blew himself up in the streets of Belfast, and when a priest reached him he was praying for his immortal soul and the priest gave him absolution before he died.
What sort of morality is that? Bible, or Koran, or Torah, in one hand and a bomb in the other.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:14 pm
by marduk
What did you expect of any religion that teaches that YHWH/Jehova/Allahs first act was to attempt mass slaughter on every living thing on earth because it annoyed him
these religions lead by example don't they
now if we could all just follow a god whos first act was an act of love
things would be different
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:27 pm
by Digit
One up to you Marduk. I concede defeat on that.
Religion
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:05 pm
by Cognito
now if we could all just follow a god whos first act was an act of love things would be different
Very astute. Thousands of years of religious indoctrination has brought us nothing but slaughter in the name of god. Somehow, I don't believe that was the original intent, eh?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:17 pm
by Minimalist
Somehow, I don't believe that was the original intent, eh?
A discussion which could fill a library. Murder for god seems to be a relatively recent stage of human history.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:21 pm
by Digit
As predicted in the Christian Bible of course that people would turn to the worship of Satan/anti-Christ.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:26 pm
by marduk
Murder for god seems to be a relatively recent stage of human history.
nope
its as old as religion itself
the Bible is full of it
that makes it as old as that religion
ancient texts are full of it as well
the story of gods attempt to murder every living thing on earth with a flood because he was throwing his toys out of his cot isn't originally Jewish
its Sumerian
thats how long we've been following by example
at least 6000 years
longer than we have been civilised (allegedly)
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:32 pm
by Digit
Quite! Just as Satan was picked up from the Babalonian's Shaitan.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:57 pm
by marduk
Shaitan is from Islam Digit
Shaitan and Satan are from an original sumerian phrase (3000BCE) which passed through Akkad (2400BCE) and on from there into Hebrewism (550BCE) and onwards to Islam (800CE)
SA.AN "Enemy/equal to god/heaven" which in Hebrew is translated as the adversary
originally it didn't mean an anthropomorphic demon with horns and a pitchfork
it was just something you cursed your foreign slaves with
"get on with your work you lazy enemy of heaven"
translates to "git" in modern parlance