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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:51 pm
by Digit
They can dig in my back garden as long as they find something worthwhile.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:51 pm
by Minimalist
Digit wrote:(So...are they going to bounce the rubble or dig somewhere else looking for more "Holy Relics?")
Personally Min I don't give a Damn what their reasons are if they find something of interest.
They wouldn't be the first to stumble onto something they didn't expect.
The problem with Holy Diggers, Dig, is that they set out looking for something and always find it....no matter what they dig up. Then the lunatic fringe screams HALLEFUCKINGLUJAH for five years and that hurts my ears.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:54 pm
by Digit
True Min, but eventually the finds speak for themselves and our knowledge grows, and as far I'm concerned if they are paying for it they can dig where the hell they like.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:55 pm
by marduk
Ron Wyatt is the guy that found Noahs Ark
oh
and the Ark of the Covenant
plus about every other artifact mentioned in the bible
God called him up to that waiting room in the sky a few years back
I bet he was shitting himself at having to explain away those fabrications
lieing for the lord is still sinful
its only murdering for the lord thats allowed
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:59 pm
by Minimalist
Digit wrote:True Min, but eventually the finds speak for themselves and our knowledge grows, and as far I'm concerned if they are paying for it they can dig where the hell they like.
And 100 years later the Archies of the world maintain that Albright and Robinson were right and all these other atheistic archaeologists just want to discredit the bible.
But even Arch has no use for Wyatt. How's that for the pot calling the kettle black?
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:21 pm
by ravenwing5910
even if they found a sign reading "Sodom here, Gomorah (sp) that way->" buried under feet of brimstone, that would only indicate a natural disaster, not a divine intervention. It seems to me that these "biblical" archaeologist's have an inate ability to twist what ever artifact they come across into evidence of what ever biblical story they are trying to find. They could "prove" Sodom was buried under Sanfransico if they wanted to.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:27 pm
by Forum Monk
R/W, in my opinion, if they found the "welcome to Sodom" sign under tons of brimstone it would not prove divine intervention as you say, but it would put significant weight on the claim that the pentateuch could have some historical significance. I know of no other text which mentions the cities nor attempt to answer why they no longer exist (if indeed they did).
Even if you ignore the religious allegory.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:34 pm
by ravenwing5910
Don't you think that religious stories follow natural disaster in a finger pointing sort of way. you know the people were bad so god punished them? Like, "ring around the rosy" is said to have originated out of the plague.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:36 pm
by marduk
I know of no other text which mentions the cities nor attempt to answer why they no longer exist (if indeed they did).
I know of several ancient texts that describe a city being destroyed by fire from God
but well FM
it wouldn't do your Noah was first theory any good
I think you can guess which culture wrote them
and about how long they predate the bible by
thing is
in these texts the cities have been found
and they were destroyed by fire
its the name of the God thats different
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:41 pm
by Digit
At the risk of having to dig my tin helmet out again, I think it worth remembering when knocking Hell out of religion that the majority of people in this forum live in countries whose culture, for better or for worse, is firmly imbedded in Christianity.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:45 pm
by marduk
mine isn't
its firmly embedded in protestantism
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:48 pm
by Forum Monk
ravenwing5910 wrote:Don't you think that religious stories follow natural disaster in a finger pointing sort of way. you know the people were bad so god punished them? Like, "ring around the rosy" is said to have originated out of the plague.
No doubt about it.
Marduk wrote:I know of several ancient texts that describe a city being destroyed by fire from God
but well FM
it wouldn't do your Noah was first theory any good
I would be interested to see some of the 'fire from god' links you have. As for 'noah first' - I never said that.
About answering your previous post, guess I'll have to dig in and see what I can find about it the DNA question. Problem with these bible posts is, Im not a qualified 'bibliologist' so-to-speak.
(either that, or I wait until science catches up to me.)
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:51 pm
by Digit
(its firmly embedded in protestantism )
So you don't agree with
Though shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, honour thy father and mother, thou shalt not bear false witness etc?
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:52 pm
by Minimalist
The tendency of people to create myths based on observations of their environment (etiology) would satisfactorily explain why they would create a story to explain a ruined city.
An etiological myth is a myth intended to explain a name or create a mythic history for a place or family. In Biblical criticism, etiologies give theological explanations for names or occurrences.
For example, the name Delphoi and its associated deity, Apollon Delphinios, are explained in the Homeric Hymn which tells how Apollo carried Cretans over the sea in the shape of a dolphin to make them his priests. While there is an actual etymological connection between Delphoi and delphis (delphus means "womb"), many etiological myths are based on popular etymology (the term "Amazon", for example). In Virgil's Aeneid (published circa 17 BC), many places are given mythical histories, but more importantly the then ruling Julian Family are related back to the mythical hero Aeneas through his son Ascanius, whose second name was Iulus (since I and J were interchangeable Iulus become Julus and thence the Julians). Another example might be that of the setting of the rainbow in the heavens as a sign of God's covenant with Noah - and through him all mankind (Genesis 9); or in the story of Lot's wife in Genesis 19 (specifically 26) explains why there are pillars of salt in the area of the Dead Sea. [2]
So at best they will find another Early Bronze Age town which may have been the inspiration for the myth. Nothing more.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:55 pm
by Digit
If they find that Min I'll be happy.