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More on the Tocharian ganja man
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:24 pm
by john
All -
Seems his stash was sorted for higher THC content -
No male plants allowed!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925/
Note that the article states also
That the weed in question came from
"A cultivated strain."
Interestinger and interestinger.........
hoka hey
john
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:23 pm
by kbs2244
John:
My best memory of I5 was when, despite my waving my arms around while being followed to try and show we were having a heated discussion, a CHP pulled the local guy I was with over for speeding.
Sitting on the right, I could tell he wasn’t going to write up my driver, just slow him down.
The quote was “You know, sir, no matter how many cars you pass, you are never going to get to the front of the line.”
I have lived according to that phrase in a lot of traffic.
So, this guy had a make up bag, a harp, no male seeds in his bag, and was probably not ethnically Chinese.
Do I start to see a pattern here on why the ChiCom government is letting the information out?
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:11 pm
by john
kbs2244 wrote:John:
My best memory of I5 was when, despite my waving my arms around while being followed to try and show we were having a heated discussion, a CHP pulled the local guy I was with over for speeding.
Sitting on the right, I could tell he wasn’t going to write up my driver, just slow him down.
The quote was “You know, sir, no matter how many cars you pass, you are never going to get to the front of the line.”
I have lived according to that phrase in a lot of traffic.
So, this guy had a make up bag, a harp, no male seeds in his bag, and was probably not ethnically Chinese.
Do I start to see a pattern here on why the ChiCom government is letting the information out?
kbs224 -
You forgot brightly colored, woven wool clothing.
Which means both spinning and dying - to say not being dead -
But enough plant/mineral knowledge to change the color
Of fiber once it was spun.
All this before any evidence of the same techne
Appeared among the "Chinese" Chinese.
So we have a minor mystery here.
My gut hunch tells me that there had to be trade, with profit
Involved, for a bunch of Westerners to be in Northern China at that time.
But, to date, I can find no published evidence of either
2800 year old Western goods showing up in China,
Or vice versa.
So I flat don't know.
On the other hand,
Maybe it was the first, fantastically popular showing of the
"Little House on the Gobi."
hoka hey
john
More on the Tocharian ganja man
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:38 pm
by john
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:07 pm
by kbs2244
So it was defiantly grown as a drug.
Most likely locally.
And with some sophistication in growing and processing.
Was its use restricted to the privliged few?
Was it only for local use, or was it a trade crop?
Maybe for sale to the travelers of the “road.”
Do we have a center for an ancient drug trade?
Is the present climate a good place to grow it?
And is the current culture a place where it is used that way?
Population Genetics
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:31 pm
by Cognito
If people here think it's weird to find Tocharians in the Western China desert, consider the Uighurs in Northern China.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/conte ... /17/9/1396
With regard to ancient migrations and population dynamics, has anyone here thought about the meaning of these discoveries? Hint: think long distance travel and even boats.

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:47 pm
by Barracuda
Party On!
Pictures
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:13 pm
by john
All -
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/slideshow ... stash.html
Simply incredible cognitive/cultural assemblage.
And now i know what that damn kongou harp looks like!
The other thing which astonished me is the picture of the wool
Cloth. It does not appear to be plainweave, but
A (simple) twill.
Which means that they understood how to create patterns in
The weave by manipulating warp and weft.
"Weaving Pattern for Twill:
Under 1, Over 2, Under 1, Over 2
Over 1, Under 1, Over 2, Under 1
Over 2, Under 1, Over 2, Under 1
Under 1, Over 2, Under 1, Over 2"
This refers to how many strands of the warp you
Go over or under when passing the weft through the warp.
And, of course, though not included in the funerary goods,
That is good looking yarn, indicating a fairly
Sophisticate spinning techne.
hoka hey
john
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:55 pm
by Minimalist
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:54 am
by kbs2244
Two questions:
How do we know he had blue eyes?
How do we know what language he spoke?
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:01 pm
by dannan14
And how do we know what the harp looked like? i can't tell from the photo or the diagram which item is the harp.
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:35 pm
by Minimalist
Can't tell from the pictures...that much is certain.