Under Lake Michgan Stonehenge

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:42 pm

About the great lakes water levels.

http://www2.oakland.edu/biology/files/drownedforest.pdf

The water levels change quite a bit.
Since I have been old enough to pay attention to this kind of stuff I have seen depth changes of 10 feet.

But note the 40 foot mention in both the forest site and the Stonehenge site.

Yeah, E. P. I just picked your book up at the library yesterday.
Interlibrary loan from Pontiac, Il no less.
I almost expected it to be signed!
330 pages of small type with out the Indian stuff in the back.
I hope I can get through it in 2 weeks.

Back in the late 50’s early 60’s I used to visit Ford County a lot.
(The reason is a long story)
Are you still around there?
We spent most of our time around Paxton.
I do remember my Dad saying “What this town needs is a good fire.”
It happened 10 or 15 years later.

E.P. Grondine · Post by **E.P. Grondine** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:06 pm

kbs2244 wrote: Yeah, E. P. I just picked your book up at the library yesterday. Interlibrary loan from Pontiac, IL no less. I almost expected it to be signed!

That's only for personal copies bought from me or earned at trading blanket.

kbs2244 wrote:330 pages of small type with out the Indian stuff in the back.

I hope this doesn't discourage you, but it's all "Indian stuff". The "Indian stuff" in the back are the most reliable oral histories that were preserved.

kbs2244 wrote:I hope I can get through it in 2 weeks.

Depends on your eyesight and interest. Native American friends have called in sick to work and read it in 3 days, then re-read it again, and keep their copies on their desks for reference.

Depending on your background, interest, and available time, it may take you up to a month to read it. I often advise people to read the parts that interest them, and then go back and read through it all.

The book is equivalent to a college semester introduction to Native America, so if your eyes hold up, you will have a pretty good introduction to Native America before the conquest when you're done.

kbs2244 wrote:Back in the late 50’s early 60’s I used to visit Ford County a lot. (The reason is a long story) Are you still around there?
We spent most of our time around Paxton. I do remember my Dad saying “What this town needs is a good fire.” It happened 10 or 15 years later.

I have a long story myself and my own reasons. If you look elsewhere here on this bbs you'll see that I'm offering looks at draft copies of "Amazing Stories" my guide inside today's cult archaeology. Why not write me for one?

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:58 am

Yup,
I read that already.
That is why I knew about your Ford County connection.

I am just starting you chap about the difference in NA and SA natives view of astronomy.
This should be interesting since I have never seen any evidence of the current NA "first peoples" having any knowledge of the repeatability of star movements.

Pippin · Post by **Pippin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:04 am

But isn’t henge making a north European thing?

If you call all the instances where people has put stones in circles henges, then is isnt. Just like we call all places where people makes mounts of stones instead of earth Pyramids.

Kim

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:31 pm

Well, I think of henge’s as circles with a purpose.
They don’t have to be stone.
There are wood ones on both sides of the Atlantic.

Some North America Woodhenge locations.

Cahokia is mostly known for the mounds (Pyramids ?) but it has more than one henge.

http://www.cahokiamounds.com/explore/ca ... /woodhenge
http://www.jqjacobs.net/blog/cahokia.html

Ohio has them scattered all over the place.

http://www.earthworks.uc.edu/photo6.htm
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sc ... ?print=yes
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1998/10/19/25788.html
http://www.stonepages.com/forum/index.p ... topic=1629
http://www.ohiohistory.org/places/ftancien/fa-01.html

Again, remember that what are currently called NA "natives" have no history of being star watchers.

E.P. Grondine · Post by **E.P. Grondine** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:55 pm

kbs2244 wrote: Again, remember that what are currently called NA "natives" have no history of being star watchers.

Hopefullly, after you have finished reading "Man and Impact in the Americas" you will know more about NA natives and their history, and their star watching.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:26 pm

A new article on the subject.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 0995.story

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:58 am

Not much new.
They seem to have accepted it as man made.
"Possible cerimional site"
You think!
It sure isn't a fish trap, there is no evidance of a stream bed there.
And the shape is wrong.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:27 am

True, kb.

But this comment:

"It would be the only visual representation of such in the whole hemisphere," said a skeptical Charles Cleland, retired curator of Great Lakes archeology and ethnology at Michigan State University. "It would be a really spectacular find—if it turns out to be true."

about the mastodon is interesting because while he sounds skeptical, he is also not denouncing the find as ridiculous.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:39 pm

I am not sure that he is correct.
I will have to go through my files but I think some of the far NA west rock art show what have been assumed to be elephants.