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Rokcet Scientist wrote:Funny all those impacts didn't leave traces in (oral) history comparable to flood stories.

As we have both written and oral accounts of both impacts and impact mega-tsunami, your question is baffling - care to be a little more specific? Like who, when?

E.P. Grondine wrote:

Rokcet Scientist wrote:Funny all those impacts didn't leave traces in (oral) history comparable to flood stories.

As we have both written and oral accounts of both impacts and impact mega-tsunami, your question is baffling

Small wonder: it wasn't a question, E.P.

E.P. Grondine wrote: care to be a little more specific? Like who, when?

I was just about to ask you that: what "written and oral accounts" are there of impacts? Because I don't know of any that are comparable to great flood stories. And I'd like to learn about them if there are.

Rokcet Scientist wrote:

Minimalist wrote:Agreed but I still don't see what any of that has to do with the c14 study?

That study is titled "The Transition from the Iron Age 1 to the Iron Age 2 and its Context with the Beginning of the Phoenician Spread Westward", while we have just established that "the Phoenician Spread Westward" must have taken place loooong before "the Transition from the Iron Age 1 to the Iron Age 2".

Um, not to quibble but the title of the report was "REPORT ON THE FIRST STAGE OF THE IRON AGE DATING PROJECT IN ISRAEL:
SUPPORTING A LOW CHRONOLOGY"

Doesn't say anything about Phoenicia. Besides, people can establish a trading network without "colonizing."

“Funny all those impacts didn't leave traces in (oral) history comparable to flood stories.”

What if the impact caused the flood?

Isn’t there evidence of an impact in the Indian Ocean that would have caused a wave all the way to the Himalayas and a lot of connected weather changes?

There may have even been a time correlation to the time of the Biblical Flood?

Minimalist wrote:

Rokcet Scientist wrote:

Minimalist wrote:Agreed but I still don't see what any of that has to do with the c14 study?

That study is titled "The Transition from the Iron Age 1 to the Iron Age 2 and its Context with the Beginning of the Phoenician Spread Westward", while we have just established that "the Phoenician Spread Westward" must have taken place loooong before "the Transition from the Iron Age 1 to the Iron Age 2".

Um, not to quibble but the title of the report was "REPORT ON THE FIRST STAGE OF THE IRON AGE DATING PROJECT IN ISRAEL:
SUPPORTING A LOW CHRONOLOGY"

OK, not quibbling then: the title of that chapter was "The Transition from the Iron Age 1 to the Iron Age 2 and its Context with the Beginning of the Phoenician Spread Westward".

Doesn't say anything about Phoenicia.

Excuse me? The word "Phoenician" does not mean: from Phoenicia...?

Besides, people can establish a trading network without "colonizing."

But people cannot establish a trading network without 'spreading'.

kbs2244 wrote:“Funny all those impacts didn't leave traces in (oral) history comparable to flood stories.”

What if the impact caused the flood?

Possible. But none of the flood stories mention an impact, afaik.

Isn’t there evidence of an impact in the Indian Ocean that would have caused a wave all the way to the Himalayas and a lot of connected weather changes?

There may have even been a time correlation to the time of the Biblical Flood?

Possible. But still no impact stories...

If man witnessed great floods and great impacts it doesn't jive that we only have very prominent flood tales but no impact tales at all!

I've gone through Sharon's report twice with the search feature and while I found 14 uses of the word "Phoenician" I have found no chapter heading by that title.

Are we talking about the same report?

Minimalist wrote:I've gone through Sharon's report twice with the search feature and while I found 14 uses of the word "Phoenician" I have found no chapter heading by that title.

Are we talking about the same report?

You posted this link when I asked you what the difference was/is between Iron Age I and II: http://antiquities.org.il/article_Item_ ... ule_id=#as

Alright....I figured we weren't on the same page.

Are these actual colonies?

She seems to be asking the question. Is a trading post a "colony."

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Minimalist wrote:Alright....I figured we weren't on the same page.

Are these actual colonies?

She seems to be asking the question. Is a trading post a "colony."

A trading post is minimally a cultural colony.
Like McDonalds on Red and Tian-an-Men square.

It can serve that function but when the Greeks or Romans sent out a "colony" it was imperialism by moving in. Carthage seems to have been founded the same way.

Here we go:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/nov/di ... t=1&utm_c=

And this is from a NY Times story:

About 900 miles southeast from the Madagascar chevrons, in deep ocean, is Burckle crater, which Dr. Abbott discovered last year. Although its sediments have not been directly sampled, cores from the area contain high levels of nickel and magnetic components associated with impact ejecta.
Burckle crater has not been dated, but Dr. Abbott estimates that it is 4,500 to 5,000 years old.

After all, if there was an impact, dosn't it have a 3 to 1 chanch of hitting water?
It would be a great help to the cause if the National Science Foundation sent a ship equipped with modern acoustic equipment to take a closer look at Burckle, Dr. Ryan said. “If it had clear impact features, the nonbelievers would believe,” he said.
But they might have more trouble believing one of the scientists, Bruce Masse, an environmental archaeologist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. He thinks he can say precisely when the comet fell: on the morning of May 10, 2807 B.C.
Dr. Masse analyzed 175 flood myths from around the world, and tried to relate them to known and accurately dated natural events like solar eclipses and volcanic eruptions. Among other evidence, he said, 14 flood myths specifically mention a full solar eclipse, which could have been the one that occurred in May 2807 B.C.

Half the myths talk of a torrential downpour, Dr. Masse said. A third talk of a tsunami. Worldwide they describe hurricane force winds and darkness during the storm. All of these could come from a mega-tsunami.