I have seen documentation where females, children and elders participate in big game hunts as 'beaters'. Is that not 'taking part'?
Rokcet Scientist wrote:
kbs2244 wrote:Gathering is easier than hunting.
Absolutely. Ancient hominids were gatherers for 95% of their sustenance. Of berries, fruits, roots, and, most of all, seafood. The whole family group, old and young, male and female, could partake in gathering. With little risk. Hunting was a much less efficient way to get food: only adult males could take part. So hunting was a rare occasion: it was very hard and very dangerous work with high risk. I'm convinced they didn't do it if they could avoid it.
"Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test." ~ Robert G. Ingersoll
"Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
To me Min extinction would imply a 'natural' event, in his people's case it was genocide, but in any case it in no way detracts from his skill with the bow nor in tracking.
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
That's a very personal value judgment, Roy.
The objective scientific observation is that 'his people' went extinct.
(Despite being able to kill a deer at 40 yards with a stone – which I highly doubt was sufficiently successful to feed his people; could he do that every day...? But whatever clever hunting tricks he/they employed, those and his/their whole way of life did not prevent them from going extinct).
(Despite being able to kill a deer at 40 yards with a stone – which I highly doubt was sufficiently successful to feed his people; could he do that every day.
A stone?
According to his life story by CW Campbell his people were hunted in regular excursions by the Californian miners. That's genocide!
Digit wrote:
According to his life story by CW Campbell his people were hunted in regular excursions by the Californian miners. That's genocide!
Probably. But that is a value judgment! NOT a scientific observation!
If you want to observe scientifically you must let go of subjective value judgments!
If you can't you're not doing science.
I was especially sickened to hear of the Kingsley Cave massacre in 1871, in which one of the white men switched from a rifle to a revolver “because the rifle tore them up so bad, particularly the babies” (Riffe and Roberts).
and what sort of valued judgement would use place on that then?
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
I was especially sickened to hear of the Kingsley Cave massacre in 1871, in which one of the white men switched from a rifle to a revolver “because the rifle tore them up so bad, particularly the babies” (Riffe and Roberts).
and what sort of valued judgement would use place on that then?
NONE if observed from a scientific point of view!
But apparently you have trouble separating subjective and objective observation. Real science deals with facts, not with moral opinions.
Digit wrote:Real science may be, but please explain how you qualify massacres as 'extinction' rather than genocide.
Science or not, there is a slight difference!
'Qualify' is your problem. You 'qualify' emotionally/morally, not scientifically/factually/objectively.
The objective scientific observation is that 'his people' went extinct.
Well, if he was still alive then, by definition, his "people" were not extinct....yet.
Besides, Aristotle said something along the lines of "The dead care little about the affairs of the living."
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
