YD impact evidence at Topper

[Beagle]

Not much Min. I haven't learned any great secrets out there. I'm more confused about genetics than ever, but I know that we still have much to learn about this young science. I'm also certain that the X-woman from Siberia is not a new Hominid species. Looks like it's a Neanderthal with a previously undiscovered mDNA line.

Should be no surprise to you that I'm active in the national Tea Party, and I have another one coming up soon. Sooo, everything is pretty much the same with me. I try to read the Arch. News daily and noticed that Michelle was moving out of California. She oughta come to Tennessee.

[Digit]

Looks like it's a Neanderthal with a previously undiscovered mDNA line.

That opens up some interesting ideas Beag.

Roy.

[E.P. Grondine]

Should be no surprise to you that I'm active in the national Tea Party, and I have another one coming up soon.

Could we leave the decriminalization of marijuana for discussion on another board, and leave this one for archaeology?

[Beagle]

Sure don't know where the marijuana reference comes from EP. I sure never use it, and the Tea Party is not involved with that in any way. In any case, Min asked a simple question, and I gave him a VERY brief answer. Nothing to get upset about. Let's get back now to impacts. I would very much like you to tell us about the Malaysian impact that you spoke of earlier.

[Minimalist]

Sure don't know where the marijuana reference comes from EP. I sure never use it, and the Tea Party is not involved with that in any way. In any case, Min asked a simple question, and I gave him a VERY brief answer. Nothing to get upset about. Let's get back now to impacts. I would very much like you to tell us about the Malaysian impact that you spoke of earlier.

Yesterday's Doonesbury!

[Beagle]

(you're gonna upset EP )

[E.P. Grondine]

I would very much like you to tell us about the Malaysian impact that you spoke of earlier.

A translated newspaper report, excuse the typos and mistakes:

PENANG, 29 Jan.- The ‘Out of Africa’ theory that suggested fossils of early man were only found in Georgia roughly 1.7 to 1.8 million years ago, may have to be rewritten with the latest discovery by Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM) archaelogists.

Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mokhtar Saidin, Director of the Centre for Archaeological Research Malaysia (PPAM) USM said that further studies carried out at the excavation site at Bukit Bunuh, Lenggong, Perak revealed that early man had existed in Southeast Asia, specifically in Malaysia more than 1.8 million years ago.

The fresh evidence has now become the oldest recorded data of prehistoric man in Southeast Asia compared to other discoveries of prehistoric sites in China, Indonesia and others.

He said that this was based on the discovery of stone artefacts such as handaxes and chopping tools dated at 1.83 million years ago.

“These artefacts were found embedded in suevite rock, which formed as a result of the impact of meteorites. Detailed studies were carried out to confirm the age of these rocks,” he said.

Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mokhtar said this at a press conference at PPAM, USM today. Also present at the press conference was the Vice-Chancellor of USM, Prof. Tan Sri Dato’ Dzulkifli Abdul Razak.

According to Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mokhtar, the handaxe, made from a type of quartz found in river beds, is the first of its kind found in this region, making it the oldest artefact found in the world.

“Up till now, the oldest artefact in the world, dated at 1.6 million years, was discovered in the Olduvaigeorge region, Georgia.

He added that the rocks were dated using the Fission Track Dating Method at the Geochronology Japan Inc. Dating Laboratory, Japan and were found to be around 1.83 million years old.

“The dating of the rocks provides fresh evidence and dispels the belief that early man lived only at the Sangiran site, Jawa, Indonesia from 1.2 to 1.7 million years ago.

“The fresh evidence also suggests that early man had lived in Malaysia before migrating to Jawa as a result of the destruction of Bukit Bunuh from the impact of meteorites,” he said.

Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mokhtar also said that the study has, for the first time, revealed chronometric evidence as to the existence of the handaxe in this region since 1.8 million years ago. It clearly rejects the Movius Line theory which states that the hand axe never existed in this region.

Besides that, he said that the discovery suggests that the ‘Out of Africa’ theory, based on the discovery of Dmanisi Man in Georgia, ought to be earlier than 1.8 million years.

“It reveals that 'homoerectus' were also to be found in Southeast Asia,” he added.

Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mokhtar said that his team will focus on uncovering evidence of human fossils to further strengthen the latest discovery.

“We have confirmed the existence of stone artefacts and the next step is to focus on finding human fossils such as teeth, bones and others,” he said.

Prior to this, Prof. Tan Sri Dato’ Dzulkifli, while chairing the press conference, said that the latest discovery can provide new information and change our understanding on the movement patterns of prehistoric man in this region.

He went on to say that this is a very important discovery for Malaysia, particularly USM, in understanding and studying the origins of man and their settlements.

“This discovery is a very important piece of data to be used in the field of archaelogy and is in line with the university’s objectives, that is, to expand the field of knowledge," he said.

Images here:
http://johnhawks.net/node/1837
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark? ... D=24555713

[Digit]

If dating continues like this Erectus will be in Asia before he left Africa!

Roy.

[Beagle]

Thanks a lot EP. In fact these tools and this particular version of HE has been discussed at Dr. Steve Wangs forum on Southeast Asian Paleoanthropology. The fact that these tools were found in meteorite residue was not however. It seems possible that these folks may have been exterminated at that site, but the same Homo is found elsewhere and at later times in SE Asia. In fact this area is a good study on evolution.

I guess this all belongs in the old world forum, so without further ado I'll just say thanks again.

[E.P. Grondine]

Thanks a lot EP. In fact these tools and this particular version of HE has been discussed at Dr. Steve Wangs forum on Southeast Asian Paleoanthropology. The fact that these tools were found in meteorite residue was not however. It seems possible that these folks may have been exterminated at that site, but the same Homo is found elsewhere and at later times in SE Asia. In fact this area is a good study on evolution.

I guess this all belongs in the old world forum, so without further ado I'll just say thanks again.

You're welcome, Beagle. But its not "meteorite" residue, its "impact" residue, as in "Man and Impact in the Americas" (2005), where the apparent early coastal Asian evolution of HH to HSS is discussed in Chapter 2.

[Beagle]

These artefacts were found embedded in suevite rock, which formed as a result of the impact of meteorites.

I guess that's where I went wrong. I know little about impact terminology.

[Beagle]

I forgot to mention that I don't think I've missed a post by John Hawks in about five years. Glad you read him.

[Minimalist]

If dating continues like this Erectus will be in Asia before he left Africa!

Roy.

If I'm not mistaken there has been some talk about that already.

The OoA Club had a shit fit.

[Digit]

I was taking the you know what Min, that HE was in Asia before he arose in Africa.

Roy.

[Beagle]

There is still a lot of talk about it.