Straight yes.
Bearing in mind that an idea is a speculation until supported by evidence validating it. And that when such an idea advanced as a Theory is devoid of support in the record, continuing to maintain it is a prima facie absurdity.
No milk or cheese
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
It's a shame I can't invent numbers to suit me and impose them as "facts" established by "scientific study," as those people apparently can.The only way anyone would -- could -- know when that mutation happened (if it even is one) is if they had the dna from before that for a baseline and an accurately dated sample of the modification from when it showed up. Then it would be possible to say that it appeared at X point in time.
Absent that, they're making it up as they go along. IOW, it's evolutionary business as usual.
My bank balance would be a lot different if I could
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
Well, if the capacity for speech supposedly "evolved" so that there could be speech, why not then ? Perfect tautology established by impeccably circular logic. No (?)To which my first response is 'rubbish!' To accept that is to imply that herders became herders to obtain milk or cheese!
Re: No milk or cheese
A straight yes! So in other words your opinion is correct regardless, great!
Roy.
A point that I and others have been trying to drum into you for some time. So now tell us what evidence you have to support your alternative to Darwinism? Or are you now gonna duck yet again?Bearing in mind that an idea is a speculation until supported by evidence validating it
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
sigh
One . . . more . . . time . . . then.
Given our present state of ignorance, no one knows anywhere near enough to do that.
Other than as a parlor amusement (or forum discussion).
One . . . more . . . time . . . then.
Given our present state of ignorance, no one knows anywhere near enough to do that.
Other than as a parlor amusement (or forum discussion).
Re: No milk or cheese
Agreed, it would be extremely difficult to find any supporting evidence for something that doesn't exist. All your arguments against evolution have so far demonstrated a considerable lack of knowledge of the subject and complete refusal to learn.no one knows anywhere near enough to do that.
And I gather from your silence that you can still think of no means of estimating when lactose tolerance arose, correct?
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
Without the requisite DATA no one can possibly estimate it.
"Estimate" (n.) implies approximate correctness. And without knowing what IS correct, "two minutes ago" and "twenty thousand years ago" stand on nearly equal footing.
It's a joke.
"Estimate" (n.) implies approximate correctness. And without knowing what IS correct, "two minutes ago" and "twenty thousand years ago" stand on nearly equal footing.
It's a joke.
Re: No milk or cheese
Just a little something to add to the boiling pot of stew.
From todays news...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... al-history
If you want to progress, you got to have milk.
I hope the "Got Milk" marketing guys here in the US get ahold of this.
It will be fun to watch.
From todays news...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... al-history
If you want to progress, you got to have milk.
I hope the "Got Milk" marketing guys here in the US get ahold of this.
It will be fun to watch.
Re: No milk or cheese
Agreed, and thus you again demonstrate your unwillingness to seek data that might impinge on your existing views.Without the requisite DATA no one can possibly estimate it.
It CAN be estimated, the necessary information IS there, look for it! Then your view will carry weight. I can suggest a number of methods to arrive at a date, and thus I return to my point that your inability to work something out does NOT mean that it is incorrect.
The means of dating DO exist, just think about it, if you are as clever as you like to suggest the answers will come to you.
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
Absent the solid contextual information, conjecture remains conjecture, whether advanced in the mantle of "science" or not.
The problem with evolutionists is tautology. Once you gag down the notion that hands evolved so that there could be hands, it's an easy supposition that lactose tolerance must have appeared so that people could drink milk. And that anyone faulting this must be ill-natured.
I could as well (and sometimes do) suppose that the Pittsburgh Pirates exist to demonstrate the futility of human endeavor to improve.
The problem with evolutionists is tautology. Once you gag down the notion that hands evolved so that there could be hands, it's an easy supposition that lactose tolerance must have appeared so that people could drink milk. And that anyone faulting this must be ill-natured.
I could as well (and sometimes do) suppose that the Pittsburgh Pirates exist to demonstrate the futility of human endeavor to improve.
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It does indeed. So please remember that and stop talking tripe! Like this...conjecture remains conjecture,
... where the hell do you get that stupid idea from?Once you gag down the notion that hands evolved so that there could be hands,
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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Re: No milk or cheese
No one on earth needs to read Dawkins' The Greatest Show on Earth more than you, Uni.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
Re: No milk or cheese
Or any authority would be an improvement IMO!
Roy.
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
Decided to read about this to see what I'd missed/
Started with wikipedia.
Ponderously long account (261 footnotes).
Curious omission : even with Clovis, points for and against Berungian / Solturean origin (not always honestly presented or well thought through, but at least there) are included. As one would expect. With Evolution . . . nothing.
Either there's no founded dissent to it (pretty unlikely) or it's like the Wiki account of Zionism's history in Palestine, in that there IS no "other side." (Yeah -- right).
About as expected.
The search continues.
Started with wikipedia.
Ponderously long account (261 footnotes).
Curious omission : even with Clovis, points for and against Berungian / Solturean origin (not always honestly presented or well thought through, but at least there) are included. As one would expect. With Evolution . . . nothing.
Either there's no founded dissent to it (pretty unlikely) or it's like the Wiki account of Zionism's history in Palestine, in that there IS no "other side." (Yeah -- right).
About as expected.
The search continues.
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uniface
Re: No milk or cheese
I'm not counting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scientif ... _Darwinism
which is a hatchet job if ever there were one.
Looking for science and finding religion. How odd . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scientif ... _Darwinism
which is a hatchet job if ever there were one.
Looking for science and finding religion. How odd . . .