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Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:14 pm
by E.P. Grondine
Minimalist wrote:
We do not know if the ancestors of the 'first nations' were even here yet or if they arrived later, via Beringia or boat.
Min, they were here and remembered the impacts. Go to
http://cosmictsk.com for my latest recoveries of their memories of the event.
The crossing by boat issue was covered in my book as well.
The new evidence appears to confirm my earlier estimates.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:48 pm
by uniface
Sigh
June 5
the fact that no signs of extinctions of other fauna in that same era have been found.
June 8
the 34 species that went extinct.
June 10
Curious that this impact – or airburst, whatever the case may be – chose to wipe out just the Clovis people, and not the ancestors of the 'first nations' we 'recognize' today, nor any other species of fauna.
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:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:06 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:We do not know if the ancestors of the 'first nations' were even here yet or if they arrived later, via Beringia or boat.
Come on, Min, now suddenly you even doubt there ever were humans in NA before Clovis...? You've conveniently forgotten about Monteverde and Cactus Hill, etc., and you now deny Charlie's work too?
Seems rather opportunistic TBH. And not too subtle.
I think you need to re-read Matthew 26:14 and on...

Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:30 pm
by Minimalist
You miss the point, R/S. The "first nations"
http://www.firstnationsseeker.ca/
is a euphemism for modern Amerind tribes living here when Europeans arrived. They would be among the first to denounce the idea that anyone was here before them.
I doubt the Abenaki ( for example ) lived in Vermont when Firestone's comet hit. Vermont would have been buried by over a mile of ice.
Creation -1600 AD Abenaki creation traditions linked to origins at Patambagok, Lake Champlain/Champlain Valley. Abenaki creation and transformer traditions centered in present Vermont and New Hampshire.
They seem to be creationists!
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:40 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Well as long as the Amerind peoples use that fairy tale, and the others, 'politically correct', let them, that will be the leading concept.
It is of course simple blackmail. And total bullshit.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:59 pm
by Minimalist
They have used that fairy tale to try to stop scientific research, as with Kennewick man.
A few years ago they tried to have a US senator that they own beef up the law which gives them first rights to any bones found because they must be "ancestors."
Perhaps you have heard of that senator.
His name is John McCain.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:18 am
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:They have used that fairy tale to try to stop scientific research, as with Kennewick man.
...and succeeded! While Kennewick Man has genetically been demonstrated
not to be related to them!
After 400,000 years of hominid immigration waves the 'first nations' in reality are the umpteenth nations. And not the brightest either.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:29 am
by Minimalist
Min, they were here and remembered the impacts.
Mythology, E.P. Many cultures made up stories about the beginning of the world and/or humanity.
Doesn't make it true.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:19 am
by uniface
But the congruence of the remembered details with what was involved in the reconstruction does.
As in the Indian (subcontinent) accounts of flying craft / atomic warfare (complete with radiation sickness).
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:32 am
by Minimalist
There are people who swear that this burned cheese sandwich is the image of "jesus."
People see what they want to see and the brain tries to make order out of random data.
I suspect it works the same with "mythology."
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:31 pm
by kbs2244
From todays news page....
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx ... 2dc842cf69
A 12,000 year old site in NH
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:55 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
And so far no sign of apocalyptic airburst extinctions...
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:41 pm
by Minimalist
Yes, 12,000 years ago the glaciers had retreated from the New England coastal areas. They still existed in the interior.
http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/history/geology.html
Contains an animation.
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:23 am
by kbs2244
I think this is a significant quote….
"The history of Keene says that Native Americans never lived here," said Robert Goodby, a Stoddard Archeologist studying the historic finds at the site of the new Keene Middle School off of Maple Avenue. "And here we have evidence of them living here 12,000 years ago. ... “
If their histories say that “Native Americans” never lived there, but we have evidence that somebody lived there, then the pretty clear conclusion is that the “Native Americans” were not the “First Peoples.”
Re: A 12,900 BP impact in NA? Where is it then?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:59 pm
by Sam Salmon
There are people who swear that this burned cheese sandwich is the image of "jesus."
Just looks like a garden variety hippie to me!