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Samra wrote:

Tiompan wrote:Thanks Sheppard , whilst it is much the same time period if not same media , I wondered have you come across any spirals
resembling that found on the Phaistos disc and possible rock art i.e "sectioned " .The only spirals I am aware of from the same period and area are on
pottery , high points of walls or ceilings and the odd example of rock art , only one of which has the "sections " .

George

Hi George,

A possible example of the spirals you speak of is on the side of the ship in the top right. Its entire hull is apparently decorated with a continuous line of spirals. Perhaps more will be revealed in future restorations.

Sheppard

Anyway, if that was Akrotiri, that must date back to the 16th century BC. And the seafaring skills and technology of the time seem very well developed already.

Samra wrote:George,

We don't have any other frescoes featuring ships or boats as yet except for the small rowing vessel in the Thera scene. They are coming in the future though.

Sheppard

If those images are your recreations of the original frescoes the word 'restoration' is a misnomer here, samra. In that case they are 'replicas'.

Samra wrote:I don't care what you want to call them as long as they more clearly reveal what's actually there in an educational sense.

Cognito wrote: The volcano at Akrotiri blew up in 1628bce as evidenced by dendrochronogy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini
http://www.therafoundation.org/articles/chronololy/

The Hyksos (probably Amorites, some Canaanites, and a series of other Semite tribes) overran Phoenician cities along the Levant when entering Egypt by circa 1640bce (some believe as early as 1784bce). Their empire survived until Pharaoh Ahmose expelled them circa 1540bce. Most Phoenician cities were apparently abandoned until the end of the Hyksos reign. The resurgence of Phoenician voyaging really begins after the Sea Peoples destroyed the Hittites, the Mycenaeans, and severely weakened the Egyptian empire circa 1200bce, while returning the city of Arwad from the Hittites to Phoenicia. BTW, no other Phoenician cities were sacked during the Sea Peoples' onslaught - which implies that the Phoenicians were allied with them.
http://www.phoenician.org/sea_peoples.htm

Samra wrote: My current view of the Frieze is that it's a scene from the west of Thera and one of the major Minoan ports on the northern coast of Crete with Thera on the left and Crete to the right. Many of my colleagues also agree with this. Here's our first precision restoration from the Frieze of the "Ringed Islands of Thera":



The general configuration of the islands match well with the 1992 geological reconstruction of Santorini before the eruption by Druitt and Francaviglia show on this page:

Ringed Islands of Thera

Sheppard Baird

Samra wrote:Hi E.P.

I went and gave a good look at the geography of Troy and the surrounding area in three dimensions with Google Earth. Troy's included in my GIS publication if you would like to examine the terrain yourself.

The Archaeological Sites of the Aegean Minoans

I could see no resemblance at all to anything that's shown in the fresco. Sorry.

Best,
Sheppard Baird

kbs2244 wrote:E.P.

Where did the "Troy's canal system around the Hellespont" idea come from?
That is a completely new idea to me.

Do you have any references?