Support for Sea-Borne Populating of the Americas

[Digit]

The Jewish 'Church' is as divided as any other RS and the Reformed Church does not practise circumcision, describing the practise as 'barbaric.'
Two other exemptions are also made, thus I suspect that your underpants check would only get a visit to your local police station!

Roy.

[Digit]

Considering the lengths of the east and west coast lines Min, plus wind and currents, once some form of reliable water craft was available multiple entry points into the new world seem more logical than just one IMO, in fact, inevitable.

Roy.

[Minimalist]

Reformed Church does not practise circumcision, describing the practise as 'barbaric.'

That's what the Greeks called it, too!

[Minimalist]

Considering the lengths of the east and west coast lines Min, plus wind and currents, once some form of reliable water craft was available multiple entry points into the new world seem more logical than just one IMO, in fact, inevitable.

Roy.

Agreed...and thanks for trying to pull this thread back on topic.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Considering the lengths of the east and west coast lines Min, plus wind and currents, once some form of reliable water craft was available multiple entry points into the new world seem more logical than just one IMO, in fact, inevitable.

I disagree. No reliable watercraft were required. Unreliable watercraft would do just as well.
Unless you envisage a regularly scheduled ferry system, in which case reliable watercraft were indispensable of course.

[Digit]

Point taken!

Roy.

[Minimalist]

A "reliable" watercraft is one that generally floats.

[Rokcet Scientist]

A "reliable" watercraft is one that generally floats.

So a thingamijig that sinks is not a reliable watercraft? But a watercraft nevertheless. If an UNreliable one.
By that logic every stone is also a watercraft! Though a watercraft of the UNreliable type of course. But a watercraft nevertheless...

Hmmm... that's a whole new way of looking at stuff...

[Minimalist]

I wouldn't put to sea in a stone boat.

They have a tendency to sink like a stone.


In this case I think the more important word is "reliable."

[Rokcet Scientist]

I wouldn't put to sea in a stone boat.

They have a tendency to sink like a stone.

Not according to Archimedes.
And concrete boats all over the world prove his point every day.
Hundreds of which are within a radius of 1 mile from here: houseboats, the canals are full of them. I'd guess about 40% are concrete. But there are also concrete sailing yachts. Some circumnavigate the globe!
I think that qualifies as 'reliable watercraft', doesn't it?

[Barracuda]

As much as I support the theory, I don't think this is any proof at all

[Minimalist]

I've never seen a stone boat. And concrete poured over a steel shell is not exactly what we are talking about.

[Rokcet Scientist]

I've never seen a stone boat. And concrete poured over a steel shell is not exactly what we are talking about.

Indeed, because we are talking about concrete poured in a wooden casing which is removed after the concrete has cured. For all intents and purposes that is a stone boat. And it floats. And sails. Around the planet if need be.
You would get exactly the same effect if you shaped a boat from solid rock by carving. Only you would need a lot of friends to get that done!

Don't tell me you deny Archimedes' "Eureka" and reality...!

OTOH... you wouldn't know of course, living in that sand box...

[E.P. Grondine]

SALT LAKE CITY - (Business Wire) An international team of genetic scientists has discovered the ancestors of Native Americans had at least 15 unique maternal genetic lines, many more “founding mothers” than had been expected for the Paleo-Indians . .

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/pres ... 63544.html

Increasing skeletal evidence from the U.S.A., Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil strongly suggests that the first settlers in the Americas had a cranial morphology distinct from that displayed by most late and modern Native Americans . . . The increasing evidence that all late Pleistocene/early Holocene human groups from South America are characteristically non-Mongoloid has major implications for the colonization of the Americas . . .

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003784.html

Like other early American skeletons, the Kennewick remains exhibit a number of morphological features that are not found in modern populations. For all craniometric dimensions, the typicality probabilities of membership in modern populations were zero, indicating that Kennewick is unlike any of the reference samples used . . . The Kennewick skeleton can be excluded, on the basis of dental and cranial morphology, from recent American Indians. More importantly, it can be excluded (on the basis of typicality probabilities) from all late Holocene human groups. There are indications, however, that the Kennewick cranium is morphologically similar to Archaic populations from the northern Great Basin region*, and to large Archaic populations in the eastern woodlands.
..........
*Hello, Kennewick Man

http://www.nps.gov/archeology/kennewick/powell_rose.htm

Which, as EP can tell you, were descendants of the Red Paint People of Scandanavia.

Curiously, a certified Native American on a board I participate in recounted that a DNA study his people had been involved in put their ancestor back around 8000 BC in NorthWestern Europe/Lapland.

Now that the Woodhenge story is public, how much more evidence does there need to be ?

Hi Roy -

Read via North west Europe. Based on the distribution of X mt DNA and the distribution of artifaccts, the red paint people most likely evolved in the Black Sea region before it flooded, IMO.

The use of henges appears to be very ancient, as there are at least two henge traditions in the Americas.

See my reply on the other topic here for my current view on this.

[E.P. Grondine]

I've never seen a stone boat. And concrete poured over a steel shell is not exactly what we are talking about.

The "stone boat" is a stone lined rectangular grave. See Cyrus Thomas on this.