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Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:49 pm
by circumspice
I wouldn't say that there is censorship concerning ancient Egyptian depictions of sexually oriented subjects. They're readily available all over the internet. As for statues depicting individual pharaohs ala Min... (the Egyptian god, not Minimalist) I never heard of any reference of that type of statuary existing. (except for predynastic and early dynastic statuary that might be a god or it might be a king, who knows?) The Victorians notwithstanding, I've seen many such examples of sexually explicit ancient Egyptian artwork, in print, since my youth. I remember wondering why such frankly sexual themes hadn't been censored. Of course, I had to sneak the books off of the shelves and read them in the library, fearing that the librarian wouldn't allow me to check the book out. So I suppose there was some sort of censorship being exercised at the time.
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:38 am
by Rokcet Scientist
circumspice wrote:I wouldn't say that there is censorship concerning ancient Egyptian depictions of sexually oriented subjects. They're readily available all over the internet.
They are? If they are so 'readily available' why didn't you post any then? Post a couple* for my edification, please, because I can't find them! Especially not the upright standing pharaoh reliefs that clearly show that a huge, erect penis was chiselled away...
*or if you're too prude to post images like that, please post relevant URLs.
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:45 am
by Minimalist
(the Egyptian god, not Minimalist)
I'm usually flattered by the comparison.
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:24 am
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:(the Egyptian god, not Minimalist)
I'm usually flattered by the comparison.
You're "usually flattered" to be compared to a god? To a figment of the imagination...?
Then either you drink too much or Arch got to you. Or both.
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:00 am
by Minimalist
I'm not sure what the reason is.
It will come to me.
Ithyphallic images, ala Min
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:01 am
by circumspice
Rokcet Scientist wrote:circumspice wrote:I wouldn't say that there is censorship concerning ancient Egyptian depictions of sexually oriented subjects. They're readily available all over the internet.
They are? If they are so 'readily available' why didn't you post any then? Post a couple* for my edification, please, because I can't find them! Especially not the upright standing pharaoh reliefs that clearly show that a huge, erect penis was chiselled away...
*or if you're too prude to post images like that, please post relevant URLs.
Nah, I'm not too prudish to post the pics. It may take a while, as this forum only allows 3 attachments... The url is for an amusing article on this subject.
http://ancientstandard.com/2007/06/26/t ... 93-300-bc/

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More ithyphallic images
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:32 am
by circumspice
Finally... defaced ithyphallic images!
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:02 pm
by circumspice
It took a little searching, but I found a few defaced images. Note: the defaced ithyphallic images are NOT kings/pharaohs... they are: the god Min, central figure in the upper register, in the first relief; and a king/pharaoh is being presented to the ithyphallic god Amun-Re in the 2nd relief pictured. (originally Amenhotep III and usurped by Alexander the Great)
Now go find some images yourself, it's not that hard.

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Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:20 am
by Rokcet Scientist
Cheers.
'Funny' how teachers, archaeologists, and historians, throughout the last few centuries anyway, always waffle on about hats/crowns and vultures, cobras, feathers, sceptres and other symbols, and of glued on beards, while they magically manage to avoid what was the most poignant attribute displayed in the reliefs they're describing/teaching about.
One wonders what else they twist(ed).
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:06 am
by Rokcet Scientist
I found another one. Well, two really. Presented to the world by our friend Zahi Hawass of course: a 'brandnew' double tomb, one inside the other, near the pyramid of Saqqara, of a father and son who were scribes (to Djoser?). Not gods! From the old kingdom.
I.o.w. a huge erect penis was a very important attribute, literally very prominent!, for
all male ancient Egyptian citizens, not just for (some) gods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V9PNJbANRU
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:14 am
by circumspice
LOL!

RS I really don't think that those are penises. The ancient Egyptians had absolutely no compunction about depicting sexually oriented images...
But they were always depicted fairly realistically, except for size maybe...

I don't believe they'd ever depict a 'square' penis.
Back to the drawing board...

Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:13 am
by Digit
Equally I see no reason to assume that HNS did not wear loin cloths/clothing. Apart from keeping your backside warm such would be useful protection in thick under growth. Few peoples seem to have chosen nakedness.
Roy.
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:38 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
circumspice wrote:LOL!

RS I really don't think that those are penises. The ancient Egyptians had absolutely no compunction about depicting sexually oriented images...
But they were always depicted fairly realistically, except for size maybe...

I don't believe they'd ever depict a 'square' penis.
Back to the drawing board...

That image is a blown up screen shot from the video, Dig... It is not a photo. Zahi certainly did his best to distract attention away from 'them' by pointing out other glyphs in the same fresco (if it is that).
Re: Were Neandertals Victorians?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:00 am
by Digit
That image is a blown up screen shot from the video, Dig... It is not a photo.
??
Roy.