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E.P. Grondine wrote:And of course, for anyone who wants to know what happened, the Five Nation's accounts of the Norse are passed on in "Man and Impact in the Americas".

Be my guest to quote yourself, E.P.

Can I ask when did Geenland and Iceland become part of Europe?
For that manner, when did the Nose become Europeans?

Rokcet Scientist wrote:

E.P. Grondine wrote:And of course, for anyone who wants to know what happened, the Five Nation's accounts of the Norse are passed on in "Man and Impact in the Americas".

Be my guest to quote yourself, E.P.

As they are quite lengthy, I don't know if that would be appropriate here, RS.

E.P. Grondine wrote:

Rokcet Scientist wrote:

E.P. Grondine wrote:And of course, for anyone who wants to know what happened, the Five Nation's accounts of the Norse are passed on in "Man and Impact in the Americas".

Be my guest to quote yourself, E.P.

As they are quite lengthy, I don't know if that would be appropriate here, RS.

That never stopped you before, E.P. Why so bashful all of a sudden?
But that's easily solved/prevented anyway by saving those lengthy quotes as PDFs and posting links to those PDFs here.

kbs2244 wrote:Can I ask when did Geenland and Iceland become part of Europe?
For that manner, when did the Nose become Europeans?

When "they", European scientists of the day, agreed to, kb. Probably inspired by map makers like Mercator, Blaauw c.s. in the Renaissance (16th century) and the Enlightenment (17th/18th century). They defined, for all intents and purposes, Europe as a continent first. As they did the other known continents for juxtaposition of course.
Iceland and Greenland, colonized by the Vikings – Danes and Norsemen – around 900 and 1,000 AD respectively, were colonies of the Norse and Danish kingdoms for over a 1,000 years (in the first 500 of which the New World wasn't known, so couldn't be considered). Which would probably explain why they were considered part of Europe, because the Norse and Danish kingdoms are part of Europe.
Iceland, though independent from Danmark since 1944, still considers itself part of Europe. They want to be Europeans: they are actively applying for membership of the EU and the €uro (not necessarily the same; viz the UK) as we speak.
Greenland is still a Danish colony, so it is traditionally, and legally, still considered to be Europe today (but not EU, afaik). But most sensible people will now agree that geographically and geologically Greenland is part of North America.
The Norse are from Norway, which is also a part of Europe, and always has been. So the Norse, like the Germans, French, Dutch, etc. became Europeans when that concept was coined (Mercator, Blaauw c.s.).
Great Britain and Ireland are also part of Europe, although especially many conservative English, bucking reality, don't like that thought at all. They like to be separate, different from everybody, and consider themselves a touch above other peoples (sound familiar?). A.k.a. la-di-da delusions of (faded) grandeur. Like e.g. the Romans before them (whose empire also disintegrated; we still have Latin in intellectual discourse today!). And the Americans next (McDonald's for another millennium...? Brrrr). So what else is new? L'histoire se répète.

The Brit contribution to popular music/pop culture in the 20th century certainly matches that of the USA, 5 times its population size, though!

Great Britain and Ireland are also part of Europe, although especially many conservative English, bucking reality, don't like that thought at all. They like to be separate, different from everybody, and consider themselves a touch above other peoples (sound familiar?).

So much for the knowledge of some Europeans!
Part of Britain is as Greenland, part of North America. As for delusions of grandeur I am happy to be a backwater on the edge of Europe as opposed to being a part of a larger group so as to rival the super powers, as you once claimed was the reason for the EU.
I would also remind you that you once dismissed the non action of the EU states in Bosnia as the country wasn't part of Europe!
And the other countries you listed are, as I pointed out, Scandanavian.

Roy.

1) It's not EP's job to not only gather and cook dinner, but to cut it up in little bites and play "airplane" with it, coaxing a cranky child into opening his mouth to eat it. People who won't do their homework are people who won't do their homework. They're irrelevant.

2) The ratio of "experts" to ordinary people here is an extraordinarily high one. It's led me to suspect that the majority of us must be schoolteachers -- identifiable (in my daily experience with them) by a unique combination of ignorance, obesity and wildly inflated self-esteem.

0 out of 3! Mmm!
And I was an engineer.

Roy.

Digit wrote:And the other countries you listed are, as I pointed out, Scandanavian.

Norway, Sweden, and Danmark are collectively known as Scandinavia. And Scandinavia is a part of Europe. Like Great Britain and Ireland are. And like Spain and Portugal – the Iberian peninsula – are. They're all Europeans, even though some are kicking and screaming.

even though some are kicking and screaming.

Yep! Like every country, yours included, that have been given a voice by way of referendum.
As I reminded you once before, your country voted 'no' at their last referendum, did they not?

Roy.

I was referring to the Scandinavian vs. European thing.

It was my understanding they were considered different.

As I recall there was a pair of pretty important battles around 1066 on the Isles that determined them to be “European” vs. “Scandinavian.”

Agreed!

Roy.

Digit wrote:Yep! Like every country, yours included, that have been given a voice by way of referendum.
As I reminded you once before, your country voted 'no' at their last referendum, did they not?

Yes, Roy, as every people always vote 'no' at referenda...
The Dutch people got to vote on the subject. I don't recall the English people did...!
Now which would be the more democratic system?

Indeed we didn't, as I pointed out. Which? Well I suppose it depends on whether anybody takes any notice of the result actually, with the exception of Switzerland. Brussels usually ignores any vote it doesn't like doesn't it?

Roy.

Digit wrote:Part of Britain is as Greenland, part of North America.

Really? Which "part of Britain" would that be? The Bahamas? Because the Falklands would be South America, would it not? (I hope we can at least agree on that, can we?).
That still leaves 99% of the UK in Europe, like it or not.

I would also remind you that you once dismissed the non action of the EU states in Bosnia as the country wasn't part of Europe!

No I didn't! I dismissed the non action of the EU states in Bosnia because Bosnia wasn't, and isn't, a member of the EU, a political union. Which is not the same as Europe, a geographical continent. If you quote me, please afford this forum the honor and respect of quoting correctly instead of twisting it to suit your argument.