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it is not hard to see the credibility of this option

It is a supreme act of faith to see the credibilty of that option
so what you are saying is that Noahs boat was from a design given to him by god
which after he landed everyone on earth became aware of and then immediately went back to a more primitve design and started using reed boats
that when the sumerians heard this story they of course imagined it must have been a reed boat because they didn't know what a wood plank boat was despite the fact that they were using them as river vessels
and then they underexaggerated the number of animals on the ark and the size of it
and they invented the name of the flood hero Atrahasis when as you say they had heard the name Noah from the Hebrews who didn't exist at that time and neither did the Hebrew language
and then to make it even better they under exagerated the size of the flood to make it less significant
and then invented the system of using Ravens on their boats as land spotting fowl
which wasn't described in the biblical flood story
and they of course Noah being a Hebrew later went on to have his entire race as slaves of the descendants of the descendants of the sumerians i.e. the babylonians which is when they finally wrote their story down
and then they managed to invent a word to use for their flood story which means "earth under your feet" where in the Hebrew version they used the word "Earth" to describe the planet and they didn't notice that they'd got it wrong
with every single one of them being descendants of Noah
and this at a time when the bible in Genesis 11 claims that the whole world had a common language before the sumerian culture came into being and after the flood had dried up
so how is it possible to mistranslate from the one language into the same langauge in the chronology factually (as you say) to be given in the bible without it being full of errors
and if it got something as simple as the language that everyone on earth was apparently speaking
what else did it get wrong

i could go on like this all night but you get the point I'm sure
Faith is akin to blinkers for anyone claiming to have it
this means you Arch

forget all that if you like Arch and answer me this one simple little question
what is the name Sumer derived from and what does it mean
should be simple for you that
you can ask God
if you can't answer it
then i guess he doesn't give a shit about you does he

There is no Noah any more than there was an Utnapishtim or any of the other flood myth characters around the world who were 'warned' by so-called gods that there was to be a catastrophe for _______________________....(whatever stupid reason.)

It's just a fairy tale, arch.

There is no Noah any more than there was an Utnapishtim or any of the other flood myth characters around the world who were 'warned' by so-called gods that there was to be a catastrophe for

you missed out Ziusudra and Atrahasis

I have no intention of cataloging them all. There are about 600 versions of the flood myth and all of them have one thing in common. They provide a reason why that particular group was the only survivor.

Funny how they were all wrong about that, too.

the Hopi have the best one

the avoided the great flood because they were clever
there are no christian Hopis

so what you are saying is that Noahs boat was from a design given to him by god
which after he landed everyone on earth became aware of and then immediately went back to a more primitve design and started using reed boats

since there was no more need for such a boat, why couldn't they have forgotten the technique of building one after a few generations. how many times have you forgotten how to do something and it has only been a few years?

that when the sumerians heard this story they of course imagined it must have been a reed boat because they didn't know what a wood plank boat was despite the fact that they were using them as river vessels

considering that the sumerians came generations later, why not? i am sure minimalist's grandchildren can't do a modern version of anything he built when he was young just from hearing stories and given no technical training.

and they invented the name of the flood hero Atrahasis when as you say they had heard the name Noah

invented the name 'atrhasis' yes, heard from Noah, no. now you are twisting my words so you have no credibility left.

then to make it even better they under exagerated the size of the flood to make it less significant

read what i wrote and get it right, you leave out so many details that it is a wonder i can follow you at all.

so how is it possible to mistranslate from the one language into the same langauge in the chronology

question is, when did they write it down? beofre the separating of languages or after? most likely ---after since the myths are found in all cultures.

i could go on like this all night but you get the point I'm sure

you can't go on as all you are doing is twisting whati wrote and trying to make it say something i did not say

what is the name Sumer derived from and what does it mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

just for you

The term "Sumerian" is an exonym, first applied by the Akkadians.

of course the naming of the civilization came after the disporia as they were One prior to that act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
just for you

so what you are saying is that you don't know
that the bible doesn't know
that your God doesn't know because he didn't tell you
and Arch you may be surprised to hear this
but Wikipedia definitely doesn't know

in Hebrew Shinar
in Akkadian Shumer
does not equate with Sumerian KI.EN.GIR
the sumerian name that does is SU.MIR
it means "Red mythical snake"
what later cultures came to call a red dragon
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e4945.html
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e3714.html
the title held by the horned God enki was the red Dragon
it was the Title inherited by his son Bel Marduk who wielded a trident
the same name later given to Satan
and who appears in revelations
Revelation 12
3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.

So clearly you are at fault due to a lack of knowledge that can only have come about because the Sumerians came before the Akkadians and the Hebrews
so their flood story is older
and you know nothing about the origins of your own personal mythology
because the people who wrote it didn't know either
because they weren't there when it happened

I don't want in this religious crap (everyone) but this total bullshit is getting on my nerves!!

Marduk's linguistics lesson is insightful, though.

I don't want in this religious crap (everyone) but this total bullshit is getting on my nerves!!

i wanted a mayan calendar discussion but no one seems to be interested in that

What is there to say about it?

Go easy on the Christmas shopping in 2012 just in case they are right.

What is there to say about it?

there has to be something to say about how they came to that conclusion or how they calculated the dates and so on. surely we have enough records left over from the spanish invasion to give us some idea behind their thinkng.

surely we have enough records left over from the spanish invasion to give us some idea behind their thinkng.

Arch...this is exactly what your critics are talking about...what seems to be pathological, to me.
You expect someone on an a scientific/academic forum to provide YOU with
information (which you could find for yourself...), and which you would no doubt attempt to discredit as soon as it is provided.
Don't you see how belligerent and devious that seems?
I your purpose hasn't changed since the beginning...to draw attention to yourself and to spoil the party.
If this is your personal way of getting stars in your crown, its a pretty sorry one. Why don't you go feed the hungry or something?

this is exactly what your critics are talking about...what seems to be pathological, to me.
You expect someone on an a scientific/academic forum to provide YOU with
information (which you could find for yourself...), and which you would no doubt attempt to discredit as soon as it is provided.

that maybe the assumption but all i am trying to do is get information. i have 2 books here with me on mayans , one being an archaeology magazine publishing so i am looking for other sources.

Don't you see how belligerent and devious that seems?

sorry it comes across that way, thathas never been my intention, i look for more sources and more point of views to consider.

I your purpose hasn't changed since the beginning...to draw attention to yourself and to spoil the party.
If this is your personal way of getting stars in your crown, its a pretty sorry one

does it really come across that way? not what i intentioned at all.

surely we have enough records left over from the spanish invasion to give us some idea behind their thinkng.

You might be surprised.

The Spanish were very, very thorough.