Olmec culture

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:57 am

actually in full its atlan tlan tli
but thats another story

and according to most ancient texts everything happened after the deluge
so its hardly coincedental is it

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:06 am

Marduk, there was a before, and an after, to the Deluge.

Pre-Deluge kings and post-Deluge kings are mentioned in many ancient traditions.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:18 am

A bit more OT....

http://www.mesoweb.com/olmec/index.html

This revealed the first inklings of a shocking truth, later confirmed by radiocarbon dating: At least in terms of their comparative antiquity, the Olmec had a far greater right to be considered the mother culture. Hundreds of years earlier than anyone had imagined, simple villages had given way to a complex society governed by kings and priests, with impressive ceremonial centers and artworks. Today some find the term "mother culture" misleading, but clearly the Olmec came first

This writer speaks a little about possible diffusion also.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:18 am

question Jim

who wrote the Popul Vuh
??????

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:36 am

Genesis Veracity wrote:Aztlan, Atlan, Attalan, Avalon, Atland, Atlantioi, Atlantes, hmmmm, and the Popol Vu says the ancient ancestors sailed across the eastern ocean when they came to Central America, very interesting. And don't forget Atl means Water (must be the water of Lake Powell).

You are just playing word games. Aztlan does not have 'atl' in it.

Then you take words like Avalon which is probably from the Celtic abal for apple, Atland (are you joking? do you know it's a made up word?), etc -- and try to make us think they are the same? Atlantes is of course related to the word Atlantis (and Atlantic).

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:38 am

(and Atlantic).

only according to Herodotus, Columbus and Benjamin Jowett

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:39 am

marduk wrote:actually in full its atlan tlan tli
but thats another story

and according to most ancient texts everything happened after the deluge
so its hardly coincedental is it

Actually Marduk has made up that word. He knows it isn't in any text.

I am sure important things happened after every flood if there were people in the area. So what? Flood legends prove the ubiquity of lots of water.

Doug

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:54 am

actually in full its atlan tlan tli

Actually Marduk has made up that word. He knows it isn't in any text

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... +tli&meta=

Actually Doug Weller is as thick as two short planks

especially when it comes to languages

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:11 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:The sailing from the east occurred after the Deluge in the Popol Vuh.

So they sailed from the east, atl means water, the homeland is atlan, my oh my.

The word is not Atlan, the word is Aztlan. We understand its etymology. You are just ignoring everything that disagrees with you, what the etymology is, what other scholars say, you seem to be ignorant of anything that doesn't fit into your beliefs.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:40 pm

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/659

From the Daily Grail - here is a clearer example of the newly discovered Olmec writing.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:05 pm

marduk wrote:
actually in full its atlan tlan tli

Actually Marduk has made up that word. He knows it isn't in any text
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... +tli&meta=

Actually Doug Weller is as thick as two short planks

especially when it comes to languages

What those sites say is basically "In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words:aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively. meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively."

There is no word aztatl tlan(tli), that is an explanation of the etymology of the real word Aztlan, those sites agree with me. Marduk left out the Z, which may have been an error, but I reacted possibly too quickly and thought Marduk was making a slightly different claim about another word that also isn't found in any texts.

Anyway, his search simply proved my point.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:30 am

so you're claiming that the word Aztlan isn't derived from the words
aztatl tlan(tli)
Guess that shows youre no good at comprehending many languages
including English doug
the links spoke for itself

In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively.

like its in black and white dude

if Aztlan which means place of Herons wasn't derived from those words it wouldn't be an abbreviation of aztatl tlan(tli) would it ?
how simple is this to understand
i guess personal belief is answering your questions here isn't it doug

admittedly i did miss the z from my original spelling
but you get the point
if you don't like something or want to believe something then you are incapable of comprehension
typical Maat member from what Beagle tells me

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:26 am

marduk wrote:so you're claiming that the word Aztlan isn't derived from the words
aztatl tlan(tli)
Guess that shows youre no good at comprehending many languages
including English doug
the links spoke for itself

In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively.
like its in black and white dude

if Aztlan which means place of Herons wasn't derived from those words it wouldn't be an abbreviation of aztatl tlan(tli) would it ?
how simple is this to understand
i guess personal belief is answering your questions here isn't it doug

admittedly i did miss the z from my original spelling
but you get the point
if you don't like something or want to believe something then you are incapable of comprehension
typical Maat member from what Beagle tells me

Try reading what you wrote and what I wrote. You wrote "actually in full its atlan tlan tli " -- but that's wrong. The word Aztlan is derived from those words. Three is no 'in full' form. It isn't an abbreviation.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:49 am

I should have added -- Marduk mentions belief. That's part of the problem I have with him. He states his beliefs, I want evidence. Such as where I can find the 'word' that he claims Aztlan is an abbreviation for.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:11 am

Try reading what you wrote and what I wrote. You wrote "actually in full its atlan tlan tli " -- but that's wrong. The word Aztlan is derived from those words. Three is no 'in full' form. It isn't an abbreviation.

well you see Doug thats where your lack of language skills are letting you down and making you seem foolish. I said Aztlan is Derived from those words. so therefore quite clearly it is an abbreviated form

in full its aztatl tlan tli
which abbreviates to Aztlan
this is obvious if you had read the link i posted which states on most websites

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... +tli&meta=

Aztlan is the mythical place of origin of the Aztec peoples. In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively

az-tlan Aztlan is the mythical place of origin of the Aztec peoples. In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively. 'Tlantli' proper means tooth, and as a characteristic of a good tooth is that it is firmly rooted in place, and does not move, the prefix of this word is commonly used in Nahuatl to denote settlements, or place names, e.g. Mazatlan (place of deer), Papalotlan (place of butterflies) or Tepoztlan (place of metal).

The Aztec origin myth says that they emerged from the earth and settled in Aztlan, a place without physical description. In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning "heron" and "place of," respectively. The connotative meaning, due to the plumage of herons, could be construed as “Place of Whiteness”.

Aztlán, the spiritual utopian home of the Chicano people. Aztlán is believed to mean "Place of Whiteness" or "Place of Herons" (Nahuatl aztatl herons/white-plumed birds + tlan(tli) rooted in (as a tooth)/the place of)).

Aztlan is believed to mean "place of whiteness" or "place of herons", derived from the Nahuatl words "aztatl" (herons or white-plumed birds) and "tlan(tli)" ("the place of"). The priests of the Aztec religion used esoteric language. In their interpretation, white symbolizes "origin", so Aztlan may be interpreted simply as "The place of origin".

Or evidence of his belief that he is a reincarnated Sumerian.

well you blew that one completely
I have never claimed that. if you'd like to dispute that then i will have a great time ridiculing you for not even knowing the difference between Babylonia and Sumer. And how exactly does that influence my superior knowledge in this area to yours
so it must once again be a personal belief of yours that you are only bringing into a conversation about Mesoamerica in some vague attempt to discredit me
not working very well is it
i have provided links time and time again and so far you have just referenced your opinion
which in this case is totally erroneous and invalid