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i think starflower wants to discuss the technology involved with archaeology and not the silver aspect of the articles she posted.

now is your chance to shine as archaeologists have graduated from using the Bible and their minds to science and its tools to discover information about the past.

for me i prefer the old fashioned ways-- a backhoe and a jack hammer.
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First I've heard of this technique. It's learning things like this that I came on to this board for in the first place. Thanks for the info Starflower!
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for me i prefer the old fashioned ways-- a backhoe and a jack hammer.
:shock: :lol: :lol:
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Starflower, those little yellow face guys really express so much!
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Starflower wrote:
oldarchystudent wrote:I'm not sure how much it takes, but if they get enough of the silver they can source it to find out where it came from. It could tell us a lot.
That is what I'm talking about! And not just for this silver but all the pottery, stone blocks etc. We could finally trace trade routes with better certainty.
I'm very excited about the possibilities here.
I think this is the true value of the technology. The Nebra disk, for instance, was determined to have had it's copper mined very near where it was found, in Germany, although some of the symbology seemed to be Sumerian.
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http://www.topix.net/content/newscom/16 ... 0141877885

And yet another use of technology to trace 15th century shoelace tags to their place of origin.
While brass making was widespread in medieval and earlier Europe, no evidence exists of brass production in America by indigenous people in the Caribbean -- known as Taino -- before the arrival of the Europeans. Using microstructural and chemical analysis, the researchers were able to prove the brass originated in Germany.
I wonder what Columbus got for his 'brass beads' :wink:
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An article in our news about nanotechnology and its use in art restoration among other things.
http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=941.php
Nanotechnology has recently found practical applications in the conservation and restoration of the world’s cultural heritage. Nanoparticles of calcium and magnesium hydroxide and carbonate have been used to restore and protect wall paints, such as Maya paintings in Mexico or 15th century Italian masterpieces. Nanoparticle applications were also used to restore old paper documents, where acidic inks have caused the cellulose fibers to break up, and to treat acidic wood from a 400-year-old shipwreck
The so-called Ferroni–Dini method (two steps: the application of a saturated solution of ammonium carbonate, (NH4)2CO3, and the treatment with a barium hydroxide solution, Ba(OH)2), also called the 'barium' method, has long been the acknowledged method for the removal of salts that threaten paintings, reinforcing at the same time the porous structure. However, commercially available carbonates and hydroxide powders have dimensions of several micrometres, much larger than the pores on the paint surface. This means they don’t penetrate the painting well and there is also a risk of damaging the artwork by a white glaze forming on the surface.
Nanoparticle treatment is the logical evolution of the Ferroni-Dini method. Dispersions of kinetically stable Ca(OH)2 nanoparticles in non-aqueous solvents solved most of the drawbacks of the microsized powders. Stable dispersions of calcium hydroxide have been successfully applied (replacing polymers) as fixatives to re-adhere lifted paint layers during many restoration workshops in Italy and in Europe, and as a consolidant. Baglioni's group was among the first to synthesize nanoparticles in non-aqueous solvents with the optimal properties for application to cultural heritage conservation.
I was really struck by the difference in the before and after pictures of the Italian wall paintings. I hope it wasn't actually photoshop :roll:
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Some years back there was a photo display of the before and after of the cleaning of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Too many candles burning over too many centuries had led to a smoke buildup.
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