Ancient Sea Travel

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:21 am

On this Columbus Day (a name that should probably be changed) we can appreciate all the great voyages of discovery.

It seems to be part of the nature of man. Although it's a safe bet that the defenders of orthodoxy stayed home.

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:25 am

Ha! "The Club" was telling Columbus that the world was flat!

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:07 am

Ha! "The Club" was telling Columbus that the world was flat!

no that was the Roman catholic church
and even then it wasn't a widely believed belief
archaeology as a science didn't exist in 1492
some peoplestillwant to believe ridiculous things though don't they
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm
like doh

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:10 am

That's exactly what they always say - afterward.

stan · Post by **stan** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:34 am

Even classical Greco-Roman sailors stayed close to land, beached their ships at night and stayed put if they saw a storm coming

How about the possibility that other sailors in other locales around the world had less fear of the ociean?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:22 pm

That's exactly what they always say - afterward

when i say some people Beagle i am speaking of those who have an I.Q. over 50
you can decide yourself whether or not thats actually you
unless of course you have some evidence that the imaginary orthodox "hide the secrets" from the public club that you need to believe in also has time travel technology

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:12 pm

If I were to share my IQ with you, you would immediately post a study showing that those tests are meaningless. I'm obviously not a genius since I'm responding to that post.

I'm merely saying that there have always been orthodox naysayers prior to great discoveries. And then the human inclination to backpeddle those statements later.

Time travel ?? The topic is Ancient Sea Travel.

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:15 pm

"As they contained nothing in which there were not to be seen superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which [the natives] regretted to an amazing degree."

—Spanish Bishop Diego de Landa, on his systematic burning of thousands of Mayan books in the 16th century AD. Only three have survived.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:22 pm

and of course it had nothing to do with the fact that the natives were using the cross as a religious symbol and claimed to know God the creator personally as he'd been ruling over them for millenia from the local temple

the catholic church declared them all heretics
which is as good as saying that their beliefs negated those of christianity
because theirs at least weren't contrived

Barracuda · Post by **Barracuda** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:19 pm

This all makes sense to me, but the waters off the California Coast are dangerous, too. It not so much like the guys syrfing in swimming trucks you see in the movies.

Here in NORCAL, the water is cold and hardly anyone goes in without a wet suit, which ancient peoples didn't have

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:29 pm

How do the Eskimos handle water that is even colder, Barracuda?

Barracuda · Post by **Barracuda** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:03 pm

The Inuit wore waterproof seal skin garments that functioned as both a kayak "Skirt" and a parka with a hood.

Everything was sealed,so if the boat capsized, the boater just rolled back upright, AKA the "Eskimo Roll"

Inuit, or Eskimos, don't know how to swim. No one could last more than a few seconds in water that cold.

The marine envoroment on the West Coast is very rich. I could club as many seals as I wanted to, if it were legal, and I was so inclined.

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:38 pm

I'm glad you're not so inclined and thanks for the info.

Sam Salmon · Post by **Sam Salmon** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:51 pm

Barracuda wrote:The marine environment on the West Coast is very rich. I could club as many seals as I wanted to, if it were legal, and I was so inclined.

That I very much doubt.
In fact because of heavy predation Seals are quite wary of humans/Orcas and in Nor Cal at least-Great White Sharks.
It's easy enough to get within bow shot of a Seal but clubbing one isn't in the cards-anyone who thinks so watches too much TV/reads too much PETA propaganda.

Barracuda · Post by **Barracuda** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:15 am

Sorry, Sam, but I think you are the one watching too much discovery channel

I kayak on Monterrey Bay, and there are plenty of times I could reach out and touch a seal, Sea Lion, or Sea Otter, if I wasn't afraid of getting bit.

At Elkhorn Slough or on Seal Rock I could easily find one anytime. They have often confronted me to keep me from landing on their territory. I have had them bump my kayak.

They often follow me around. Sometimes they follow behind the boat, surface, make rude noises, and submerge before I can turn around. I hate it when they do that!

I got close enough to this Sea Otter to grab it by the back of his neck!

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1090 ... 4204MjCVYd

Sea Otters were hunted by Abalone fishermen. They were so easy to hunt, they were thought to be extinct before they were protected. A group of 50 survived down in a remote area of Big Sur, and now they are very common sight again.

We do not have resident pods of Orcas here. They mostly just pass by far out to sea.

We do have a slight problems with the Great White Sharks. They are seasonal visitors. Mostly between August and January. This report is from my favorite boogie boarding beach:

Manresa State Beach — On August 19, 2006 at about 12:30 PM a number of individuals witnessed a predatory event by a White Shark on a pinniped at Manresa State Beach. “The seals in the area were swimming in about 6 to 10 feet of water. They were staying about 20 feet away from the surfers and it seamed like they were just going about their business and watching people. After the attack they went in close to the beach, say 3 feet of water maybe 4. They kept popping up their heads, about a third of their body length out of the water looking back where the attack occurred. They stay in close for roughly 45 minutes before venturing out further into the water. The shark was 15 – 18 feet in length and its back and fins were dark grey to black.”

This is where the locals go to keep up with Whitey's latest whereabouts:

http://sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacif ... k_news.htm