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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:57 pm
by Minimalist
One of these days I am going to do a search about this use of red ochre in burials.

Just seems bizarre.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:40 am
by Charlie Hatchett
One of these days I am going to do a search about this use of red ochre in burials.

Just seems bizarre.
Yeah, possibly it represented blood?

No soy, amigo. :?

AFAIK, it's first recorded use, in a burial context, is with the Neanderthals.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:15 am
by Beagle
AFAIK, it's first recorded use, in a burial context, is with the Neanderthals.
It sure was Charlie. :wink:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:25 am
by Charlie Hatchett
It sure was Charlie.
Morning Beag.

Yeah, I did quite a bit of searching under Erectus and Ergaster, and the closest thing I could come up with is some pieces of ocher that had been cross-hatched...possibly art.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:16 am
by Minimalist
I'm not prepared to go as far as this guy....yet.
In 46,000 BC, a man was buried in the south of what is now France. His remains were found in a cave and his body had been packed with red ochre clay. This substance has become known as the 'blood of the earth', and it is believed that this kind of burial was a symbolic returning of the body to the earth. In 6,400 BC, a young indian child was buried at Koester in Souther Illinois. The body had been dusted with red chre. In Swaziland, the burial skeleton of a child was discovered which had been returned to the earth and dusted with ashes and red ochre. Years later, Neolithic man was painting himself with red ochre as a symbolic gesture of his rebirth and initiaiton in the new life of the gods (Wondjina figures, 10,000 BC, Australia). In Catal Huyuk in Turkey, red ochre, rebirth and reincarnation go hand in hand... All the countries of the world share a common religious belief system. To have such system spread over vast areas of the globe, would require an early understanding of the stars for navigation.There are more links between faiths, beliefs and religions than their stories.

http://dyg2.tripod.com/id45.html

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:09 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
I'm not prepared to go as far as this guy....yet.
He's got some good points, though. It's amazing how farspread this practice was. :shock:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:12 pm
by Minimalist
The search phrase "red ochre" burial had 34,600 hits on Google. Granted a lot are duplicates but even so...........

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:17 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
The search phrase "red ochre" burial had 34,600 hits on Google. Granted a lot are duplicates but even so...........
Yeah I was sifting through some of the pages yesterday, and the oldest use of ocher, in a burial context I could find was by Neanderthals.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:28 pm
by Digit
Which again raises the idea of common heritage I think.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:31 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Which again raises the idea of common heritage I think.
I agree. Something to keep in mind. :?

I believe I read somewhere that Neanderthals were much like Inuits?

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:57 pm
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote:I'm not prepared to go as far as this guy....yet.
In 46,000 BC, a man was buried in the south of what is now France. His remains were found in a cave and his body had been packed with red ochre clay. This substance has become known as the 'blood of the earth', and it is believed that this kind of burial was a symbolic returning of the body to the earth. In 6,400 BC, a young indian child was buried at Koester in Souther Illinois. The body had been dusted with red chre. In Swaziland, the burial skeleton of a child was discovered which had been returned to the earth and dusted with ashes and red ochre. Years later, Neolithic man was painting himself with red ochre as a symbolic gesture of his rebirth and initiaiton in the new life of the gods (Wondjina figures, 10,000 BC, Australia). In Catal Huyuk in Turkey, red ochre, rebirth and reincarnation go hand in hand... All the countries of the world share a common religious belief system. To have such system spread over vast areas of the globe, would require an early understanding of the stars for navigation.There are more links between faiths, beliefs and religions than their stories.

http://dyg2.tripod.com/id45.html
Tutavel man? I was just there. Interesting site.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:01 pm
by marduk
I believe I read somewhere that Neanderthals were much like Inuits
nah
Neanderthals didnt eat fish much
and they only had one word for snow
it was "Ug"
:lol:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:07 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
nah
Neanderthals didnt eat fish much
and they only had one word for snow
it was "Ug"
:P ...you have to admit they were/ are squatty, stocky mofo's.

Natural Selection. :?

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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:14 pm
by clubs_stink
Charlie Hatchett wrote:
nah
Neanderthals didnt eat fish much
and they only had one word for snow
it was "Ug"
:P ...you have to admit they were/ are squatty, stocky mofo's.

Natural Selection. :?]

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from a neanderthal "interpretation" which I personally find insulting, at Tutavel :twisted:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:26 pm
by Minimalist
from a neanderthal "interpretation" which I personally find insulting, at Tutavel




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Oh, no.