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Un poco mas.

This term, the obliquity of the ecliptic, refers to the angle between the plane of the earth’s orbit and that of the celestial equator, equal to approximately 23 degrees and 27 minutes at the present. The tilt of the obliquity, however, changes very slowly over great periods of time. Its cyclic variation ranges between 22 degrees, 1 minute and 24 degrees, 5 minutes over a period of 41,000 years or 1 degree in 7000 years (this cycle is not to be confused with the better known precessional cycle of 25,920 years or 1 degree of movement every 72 years). The figure that Posnansky determined for the obliquity of the ecliptic at the time of the building of the Kalasasaya was 23 degrees, 8 minutes, and 48 seconds. Based on these calculations, Posnansky was thereby able to date the initial construction of the Kalasasaya and Tiahuanaco to 15,000 BC. This date was later confirmed by a team of four leading astronomers from various prestigious universities in Germany.

This initial construction date, being vastly older than that deemed possible by the prevailing paradigm of history, was (and still is) ridiculed by mainstream archaeologists and prehistorians. But it is not so easy to dismiss Posnansky’s findings as there are other mysteries concerning Tiahuanaco that seem to confirm the great antiquity of the site. Among these are the ancient myths of Tiahuanaco (from throughout the Andean region) that tell of its founding and use in a pre-flood time; the scientific studies that prove a cataclysmic flood did indeed occur some twelve thousand years ago; the utensils, tools, and the fragments of human skeletons that are mixed in with the deepest layers of the flood alluvia (indicating human use of the site prior to the great flood); and the strange carvings of bearded, non-Andean people that are found around the site (replete with sculptural and iconographic details that are completely unique in the western hemisphere).
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Yes, they're leaving that alone. But the author is still pretty impressed with the mystery.
The ruins of Tiahuanuco have been regarded by all students of American antiquities as in many respects the most interesting and important, and at the same time most enigmatical, of any on the continent. They have excited the admiration and wonder alike of the earliest and latest travelers, most of whom, vanquished in their attempts to penetrate the mystery of their origin, have been content to assign them an antiquity beyond that of the other monuments of America, and to regard them as the solitary remains of a civilization that disappeared before that of the Incas began, and contemporaneous with that of Egypt and the East. Unique, yet perfect in type and harmonious in style, they appear to be the work of a people who were thorough masters of an architecture which had no infancy, passed through no period of growth, and of which we find no other examples. Tradition, which mumbles more or less intelligibly of the origin of many other American monuments, is dumb concerning these. The wondering Indians told the first Spaniards that" they existed before the sun shone in the heavens," that they were raised by giants, or that they were the remains of an impious people whom an angry Deity had converted into stone because they had refused hospitality to his viceregent and messenger.
And from an academic point of view, that sums it up pretty well.
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Beagle wrote:Hawaii?? Why would anybody wanna go there? :lol:

Anyway - send pics.
LOL. Sure thing! There will be lots of them. I'll have plenty of time to read on the air plane! :)
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North Carolina to Hawaii?

You'd best bring a second book.
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Minimalist wrote:North Carolina to Hawaii?

You'd best bring a second book.
You're right about that. I'm not so excited about being off the ground for that long. That's what they make books, laptops, and screaming children for. :P
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Hancocks theory was that the south american settlements were the result of travellers from the old world to the new
as the dates get pushed back on both sides of the earth its still not true

Hmm, I don't know about that marduk...

On page 137, in my edition, Hancock plainly states:
"If so, we may be gazing at faces from a much more rmote past that we imagine when we stare into the almond eyes of one of the negro heads or into the angular, chiselled Caucasian features of "Uncle Sam" ( the name for one of the figures on a stele). It is by no means impossible that these great works preserve the images of people from a vanished civilization which embraced several different ethnic groups.

That, in a nutshell, is the 'hypothetical thrid party' theory as applied to Central America: the civilization of Ancient Mexico did not emerge without external influence, and it did not emerge as a result of influence from the Old World; instead certain cultures in the Old World and in the New World may have both received a legacy of influence and ideas from a third party at some exceedingly remote date."

(underlining added.)
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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I've been reading & thinking about Teohuanaco (Tiwanaco, from now on), and I've fried a fuse. I'm gonna let it go for a day and then get back to it. :shock:

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Okay, call be close minded but it just seems to me that the whole 'old civilization theory(which I don't recall hearing any evidence of) is a lot more unwieldy than ancient peoples sailing across the ocean in a KonTiki type boat(which I have heard plausible evidence for(unless that has been debunked)). Now talk about an unwieldy sentence :!:
Hey Beagle not gone just a slow thinker.
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I hear that Starflower. I don't think anybody from Tiwanaku did any oceanic seafaring, because for one thing they were nowhere near an ocean.

The age seems pretty crucial to me. And when all of these various cultures in the general area are considered - with similar art,architecture, legends, and deities, I wonder if there isn't a larger,earlier culture that existed.

That evidence may remain hidden by jungle or be underwater.
Nice hearing your thoughts.
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You know, Beags, something about the 400 ton stones at Tiahuanaco makes me wonder WHY? Just like in Egypt or Baalbek.

There is absolutely no reason to use stones that big and, since they had to be quarried and dressed, one has to reach the conclusion that a conscious decision was made to do so. Smaller stones work just fine. As the Romans proved, bricks work just fine.

Why cut a 400 ton stone? It is almost as if they had a means of moving such a weight easily.
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Believe it or not, I read one source that put forth an explanation. I'd hate to have go find it.

He thought that large stones, especially the interlocking ones in places like South America, was because smaller stones were too prone to destruction by earthquakes (the walls rather).

He still didn't have any explanation as to how they were moved and lifted.
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Minimalist wrote:
Hancocks theory was that the south american settlements were the result of travellers from the old world to the new
as the dates get pushed back on both sides of the earth its still not true

Hmm, I don't know about that marduk...

On page 137, in my edition, Hancock plainly states:
"If so, we may be gazing at faces from a much more rmote past that we imagine when we stare into the almond eyes of one of the negro heads or into the angular, chiselled Caucasian features of "Uncle Sam" ( the name for one of the figures on a stele). It is by no means impossible that these great works preserve the images of people from a vanished civilization which embraced several different ethnic groups.

That, in a nutshell, is the 'hypothetical thrid party' theory as applied to Central America: the civilization of Ancient Mexico did not emerge without external influence, and it did not emerge as a result of influence from the Old World; instead certain cultures in the Old World and in the New World may have both received a legacy of influence and ideas from a third party at some exceedingly remote date."

(underlining added.)
ah yes aliens or atlanteans again
i must have accidentally thought he was more credible than he actually is
thanks for pointing that out
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I see nothing about 'aliens or atlanteans' mentioned.
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Minimalist wrote:I see nothing about 'aliens or atlanteans' mentioned.
Now Min. why would you.....oh, that's right. You talk to Arch too. Never mind. :shock:
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You talk to Arch too
Don't remind me.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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