the exodus revisitied

[Guest]

Hey oas, when the Canaanite city-states were being sacked circa 1400 B.C., who do you suppose was doing the sacking?

[oldarchystudent]

Here is quite an in-depth look at the issue.

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/truth/355Exodus.html

It is plain from this examination of supposed scientific evidence that it is a mishmash of allusions, often extremely tenuous, and assumptions based upon the bible being true. These believers never let the evidence stand on its own, speaking for itself. It is always squeezed into a biblical mould until it is forced into the desired shape. Much of this evidence actually tells the opposite story of the interpretation imposed upon it. Once it is realised that Yehouah worship was not confined to Israelites or Hebrews, but extended to Canaanites, Aramaeans and Hittites as well as into Syria, and Mesopotamia, then many of the assumptions of the biblicists fall flat. To maintain, for example that an asiatic name like Jacobel is a sure sign of an Israelite is utter stupidity. It praises El for a a start and not Yehouah, just as Israel does. Whatever Israel stood for initially, it was obviously not someone who worshipped Yehouah.

I have to go back to this when I have time to do more than just skim it, but it looks interesting.

[Guest]

Hey oas, so who conquered the land of Canaan circa 1400 B.C.?

[Minimalist]

I have to go back to this when I have time to do more than just skim it, but it looks interesting.

The bible-thumpers try to obscure the facts by plastering the web with their drivel, but, with a bit of effort one can find these sites which dismiss them for the con artists they have always been.

[Guest]

Whatever.

[Guest]

another web site that assumes that it was the hebrews who copied everybody else. these are a dime a dozen and worth less.

surely you could come up wiuth something more credible.

[Essan]

Your problem, oas, is that you're incapable of demonstrating any flaw in the historical account of the Bible, keep trying though, knock yourself out.

Have you read any of his posts? He and I have pointed out a very fundamental flaw: the lack of any collaborative evidence

Some of us adopt a more rational approach to history - we don't assume every story we read is 100% true. In the case of the Exodus, given the complete lack of supportive evidence for the story as told in the Bible, we must then seek whether an alternative explantion exists. Maybe by the time the events were written down, the story had been greatly altered by innumerable story tellers (and, indeed, with different versions prevalent in different parts of the country)?

Fact is: either the Bible is wrong, or the world is wrong. Obviously if you believe the Bible was written by God, rather than by highly fallible humans, then it is also easy to decide that the world must be wrong. Or, if there's no evidence, God removed it to test your faith. That's your choice. It's not mine.

[Guest]

Essan, I thought you had more on the ball than that, however, you are another who won't acknowledge that the Bible has never been shown to have any inaccuracies.

Since the Bible is always vindicated by archaeology, as more and more confirmations of its accuracy keep rolling in, your attempt to deny that it is the primary roadmap for archaeology in the Middle East is flat-out irrational, but then again, Fundamentalist Darwinites are prone to run around blinkered by their institutionalized dogma, you're like a runner who chooses to wear one shoe in a race, slow.

[Guest]

Essan, you say "either the Bible is wrong or the world is wrong," can I quote you on that, and what in the world do you mean by "the world?"

[Minimalist]

that it was the hebrews who copied everybody else

They did, Arch. Most of your precious 'words of god' were stolen from older and wiser cultures.

Deal with it.

[Guest]

I'd say Israel did allright min, dominated the Holy Land for most of over a thousand years, and now, two thousand years after all that, they're back in the Holy Land, such is about as likely to have happened as, say, ancient Thrace reconstituting today after thousands of years in their ancient homeland under that old banner.

[Guest]

They did, Arch. Most of your precious 'words of god' were stolen from older and wiser cultures.

Deal with it.

for someone who keeps demanding for unrealistic and irrefutable proof from the believer's side, time for you to put up for your own statements. this isn't proof nor is it archaeological.

show me where the hebrews copied it. telling about the gilgamesh epic is not proof as you have nothing to point to or post that is beyond a reasonable doubt that this contention is even remotely true.

you call the Bible fairy tales yet you can never back up your arguments, remember this is a sceince board, you need proof to backup your claim...pleaseprovide it. by the way--just saying dates and names of ancient texts or providing quotes doesn't amount to proof.

[Essan]

Essan, you say "either the Bible is wrong or the world is wrong," can I quote you on that, and what in the world do you mean by "the world?"

Wrong choice of worlds. Reality would be better.

Reality doesn't match the Bible. They can't both be right ..... The Bible says thousands of people up and left Egypt overnight, and spent 40 years wandering around the Sinai before invading Canaan. Yet the only evidence for such events is the Bible. ie the World, Reality, does not support the Bible. One mucs be wrong. You say the Bible is 100% correct in all respects, therefore the world/reality must be wrong.

btw who says the Canaan city states were attacked c1400BC? I though it was around 200 years later?

[Guest]

Then why, Essan, has the Bible been the primary roadmap for archaeological endeavours in the Middle East, is it because it's supposedly inaccurate, as you bizarrely claim?

[Essan]

Then why, Essan, has the Bible been the primary roadmap for archaeological endeavours in the Middle East, is it because it's supposedly inaccurate, as you bizarrely claim?

No, its because archaeologists have sought to prove it's veracity (despite what Arch would have us believe about all archaeologists conspiring to dispprove the Bible )

However, when the evidence suggested by the Bible does not, in Reality, exist, one has a problem ...