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Note that the authors feel no need to reference the _consideration_ that the possiblity is "extremely remote".

If Mike Waters (Texas A&M), et. al, were saying the possibility of the alleged footprints, embedded in the Xalnene Ash, dated at 1.3 million B.P., is extremely remote, because of the possibility of them being quarrying marks, they'd have a decent leg on which to stand.

But I think the reason Mike Waters (Texas A&M), et. al, think the possibility is "extremely remote", is because "modern" man can not have been in North America 1.3 million B.P., as that would precede their existence in Africa. And his predecessors were basically too stupid to pull off such a feat.

Fast forward, 2006: The Hueyatlaco Ash, resting above the Xalnene Ash, stratigraphically, is dated at 1.1 million years, by Paul Renne ( Berkeley's Geochronology Center...also the individual that was responsible for dating the Xalnene). The Hueyatlaco Ash securely caps stratigraphy which contain bifacial and unifacial tools, previously only designated to Hss technologies. Again, an argument from incredulity is employed as A&M's response.

At this point, I need to make a formal apology to the Berkeley guys. I bunched them in with A&M at the beginning of this thread, thinking they were also discounting the possibility. Actually, Berkeley's Geochronology Center did the Ar/Ar dating for the Xalnene and Hueyatlaco Ash, and provided the dates to A&M. I was under the false impression they were involved with the archeological interpretations.

Paul Renne, from Berkeley, is very highly regarded in the geological community. He did his sampling...did his analyses...and provided his dates: 1.3 million B.P. for the Xalnene Ash and 1.1 million B.P. for the Hueyatlaco Ash. I don't think he really gives a rats a** what the archeologists think.

I agree with Chris Hardaker, however: Berkeley still owes us a reconciliation with the other geological dating analyses (Naeser, Farley, Donelick, etc...)

Man, I like how geologists think!!

True scientists...hard science.

Pretty much a no-brainer for "the flood" I would have thought?

Not in South Dakota.

Lakota
Unktehi, a water monster, fought the people and caused a great flood. The people retreated to a hill, but the water swept over them, killing them all.
Unktehi was turned to stone; her bones are in the Badlands now. A giant eagle, Wanblee Galeshka, swept down, saved one girl from the flood, and made her his wife. (In another version, the thunderbirds fought and defeated Unktehi and her children before the waters washed over the highest mountain.)

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/puck.htm

Evenin', Charlie.

Evenin', Charlie.

Evenin' Bro.

Did ya'll get a blast of this Arctic air?

Interesting piece you posted above. Another documentation, through oral tradition, of a massive flood in the Northern Hemisphere.

It's amazing how well these oral traditons are preserved, and correlate, worldwide. If I could only learn to listen to my wife as well...

Check out this black matting, immediately covering the Clovis Stratum (13,500 cya):



Black Mat at the Murray Springs site, Arizona; the Black Mat covers the Clovis occupation surface

http://www.centerfirstamericans.org/pho ... m=12&pos=4

This is what Firestone hypothesizes to be the supernova remnants. I've been keeping my eyes open locally.

If I could only learn to listen to my wife as well...

You mean you get a choice?

You mean you get a choice?

Well...there are consequences...lol!!

Geez....mine just keeps yapping.

Geez....mine just keeps yapping.

Oh, make no mistake, mine keeps yapping. I just give a cordial "uh huh", or "yeah, I know what your saying"...lol! She's on to me, though. Hence, the consequences.

Yeah...it's the old dilemma of the dog barking at the back door and the wife yapping at the front door. Which one do you let in first?






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The dog....he'll shut up when he gets inside.

The authors explain away the problem of H. erectus not being in America at such an early date by conveniently isolating them in Asia. How the last African dispersal selectively picks up the American lice and transports them to the Americas to the ensuing, total lack of surviving lice in Asia is beyond me

This intriguing little mystery might begin to have huge implications, in light of the recent evidence of very early humans in the Americas.

I agree Cogs, that it didn't make any sense unless one considers H. Erectus getting here.

The dog....he'll shut up when he gets inside.

...your gonna get in big trouble, Min.

This intriguing little mystery might begin to have huge implications, in light of the recent evidence of very early humans in the Americas.

I agree Cogs, that it didn't make any sense unless one considers H. Erectus getting here.

Cog, I think I mentioned earlier, you should write a paper, and relate the lice to the rash of early sites being discovered in North America. Might be a home run!! Hit the problem from the Paleontology angle, like VanLandingham:

VanLandingham, S. 2000 Sangamonian Interglacial (Middle Pleistocene)

Environments of Deposition of Artifacts at the Valsequillo Archeological

Site, Puebla, Mexico. Transactions of the 35th Regional Archeological

Symposium for Southeastern New Mexico and Western Texas, Southwest

Federation of Archaeological Societies Annual meeting, April 9-11, 1999,

Canyon, Texas, 81-98.

______2002a (abs.) Correlation of Artifact Horizons at the Hueyatlaco

Archaeological Site with Sangamonian (sensu lato + 80,000 to ca 220,000 yr

BP) Age Diatomaceous Samples, Cores, and Measured Sections from the

Valsequillo Region south of Puebla, Mexico. Southwestern Federation of

Archaeological Societies, 38th Annual Meeting,

hosted by South Plains Archaeological Society, Robert Nash Interpretative

Center, Lubbock Lake Landmark, Lubbock, Texas, April 6, 2002. no

pagination, (manuscript in preparation).

______2002b Corroboration of Sangamonian Interglacial Age Artifacts at the

Valsequillo Archaeological Area, Puebla, Mexico, by Means of Paleoecology

and Biostratigraphy of Chrysophyta Cysts. Transactions of the 37th Regional

Archaeological Symposium for Southeastern New Mexico and Western Texas,

Southwestern Federation of Archeological Societies Annual Meeting, April

6-7, 2001, Iraan, Texas, 1-14.

______2002c (abs.) Corroboration of Sangamonian Interglacial Age (Sensu

Lato = 80,000 ca 330,00 y BP) of Artifacts at the Valsequillo

Archaeological Area, Puebla, Mexico, by Means of Diatom Biostratigraphy.

17th International Diatom Symposium, Canadian Museum of Nature, Ottawa,

Canada, 25-31 August, 2002, Book of Abstracts, 151 (manuscript in

preparation)

______2002d (abs) Sangamonian Age (80,000--220,000 B.P.) Artifacts at the

Hueyatlaco Site, Puebla, Mexico. Archaeological Society of New Mexico

Annual Meeting, May, 2002, Farmington, New Mexico.

______2003 (abs) Diatom biostratigraphy and paleoecology of Sangamonian

Interglacial (sensu lato = 80,000 - ca. 330,000 yr BP) artifact bearing

deposits in the Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico. Third International

Limnogeology Congress Abstract Volume, Tucson, Arizona, 29 March - 2 April,

2003, 304.

______2006 Diatom evidence for autochthonous artifact deposition in the

Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico during the Sangamonian (sensu lato =

80,000 to ca. 220,000 yr BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP))

Journal of Paleolimnology 36 (1) 101-116

Charlie Hatchett wrote:I was under the false impression they were involved with the archeological interpretations.

Paul Renne, from Berkeley, is very highly regarded in the geological community. He did his sampling...did his analyses...and provided his dates: 1.3 million B.P. for the Xalnene Ash and 1.1 million B.P. for the Hueyatlaco Ash.

Ditto, I was guilty of making the same assumption, I didn't appreciate what level of involvement Paul Renne had.

Geologists speak about fact - something I as a mere mortal can understand and relate to.

Manystones wrote:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/14/news/meteor.php

Quote:
When the chevrons all point in the same direction to open water, Dallas Abbott, an adjunct research scientist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, uses a different satellite technology to look for oceanic craters. With increasing frequency, she finds them, including an especially large one dating back 4,800 years
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For all you coastal dwellers. Don't know if these would cause 40 days and 40 nights of rain but certainly would cause a memborable event-for the survivors

I have got to say this post has got me thinking. Pretty much a no-brainer for "the flood" I would have thought?

Then, there's this....although I can't see it reaching Mesopotamia.

http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnatu ... unami.html

A volcano avalanche in Sicily 8,000 years ago triggered a devastating tsunami taller than a 10-story building that spread across the entire Mediterranean Sea, slamming into the shores of three continents in only a few hours [image].

Cog, I think I mentioned earlier, you should write a paper, and relate the lice to the rash of early sites being discovered in North America. Might be a home run!! Hit the problem from the Paleontology angle, like VanLandingham

Charlie, I think that is a great idea and I will clear the decks to do that. I spent my day today going over the Calico site and giving interactive tours to Anthropology students from LA City College who were also participating in a dig at one of the pits. We traveled off the normal path, up and over one of the small hills while focusing on the identification of surface lithics and patterns. Each group found hundreds of flakes, and a significant amount of knives, scrapers, burins, and a handfull of nice handaxes, etc. It was a helluva lot of fun. At one point, the class Prof. was explaining the head lice significance to one of his students ... it took him about 10-15 minutes. I'd like to get the explanation down to a couple of paragraphs. Meanwhile David Reed et al are progressing with their analysis of pubic lice to determine if the same anomoly arises. In other words, did HSS and HE "hook up"?

Jim Bischoff also asked Fred Budinger to re-submit material for dating since his tecnique has improved over the last few years. Fred was stunned when I forwarded him Bischoff's results from your site and Texas was brought up twice today. He is incredibly interested in what you are doing and when a paper will be written. More later.