Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:01 pm
Actually the "joke" is about hypocritical creationists, but...WTH.
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that is funny. you go to a cartoon to back up your beliefs instead of science. that is good, wrong but good.Doonesbury has been around since the late 60's as a sort of left-of-center comment on the world and culture
since you didn't cite one, you just wasted everybody's time and i am sure i can find enough toprove the opposite. typical argument, just take my word for it. you bring nothing to the table.There have been numerous studies done about the physical characteristics of peoples of past times
prove it is a fairy tale. bring your facts to the table instead of going to the funny papers. all that does is undermine any crediblility you think you have. same goes for the following quote:How better to counter fairy tales than with cartoons?
if that is all you can do, then you have nothing, believe in nothing and can prove nothing.Arch, with all your bible bullshit you really deserve nothing better.
1 out of 3 is bad score, arch!archaeologist wrote:prove it is a fairy tale. bring your facts to the table instead of going to the funny papers. all that does is undermine any crediblility you think you have. same goes for the following quote:How better to counter fairy tales than with cartoons?
if that is all you can do, then you have nothing, believe in nothing and can prove nothing.Arch, with all your bible bullshit you really deserve nothing better.
1 out of 3 is bad score, arch!archaeologist wrote:[...]if that is all you can do, then you have nothing, believe in nothing and can prove nothing.
have funI am not going to make this a religious topic, in fact I doubt if I will even use one scripture verse or any other religious word when talking about the theory of evolution.
In fact to disprove the theory, I will only use one aspect of its 'evidence' to show you why evolution cannot be true and ultimately not scientific. That aspect is the group called fossils.
The oxford dictionary defines the word fossil as: "the remains or impression of a plant or animal in rock." that is the definition that will be used here.
Here we find many weaknesses to the evolutionary claims when it comes to fossils and the example that will be used to demonstrate my points will be in theory a certified parent/child fossil. This illustration is to show where the weaknesses lie.
1. First off in looking at the two fossils, all you have are two rocks with some type of animal or plant imbedded in its structure. In and of themselves, they cannot tell anyone anything more than that. Geology can talk about the rocks, their make up and other vital details but it must remain silent on the fossilized creatures themselves, as they are outside the scope of what geology governs.
Geology cannot determine when the animals became fossilized, the time frame between fossilizations nor can it explain why the two animals are related.
2. Chemistry is of no use as the samples are contaminated not only by the rock but also by the weather these samples endured throughout time before being discovered. Any tests results are useless as no one knows the true chemical makeup of these fossils when they were alive
3. Biology can be of no use because you have no bodies to dissect and compare with present day living species. All you have, as oxford describes, are the remains or impressions of bodies. So anything biology can offer is moot and useless.
4. Physics does not apply here, as the samples are fossils in stone. There is no way to apply its capabilities to two pieces of rock just lying there taking up space.
5. So briefly, evolution is greatly limited in the ability to use science yet the most damaging evidence is yet to come.
6. History is of no use, as there are no ancient written records which record any observations of evolution in process thus we can not go to ancient civilizations and compare their experiments with modern day ones.
7. Observation is out of the question as we are told it takes millions of years to see a change. Thus in reality, no one has ever observed evolution in action because there is no control group, or verified process in action today that can be used to compare to see if the results are evolutionary or not.
We are told that there are some species still in the process of evolution but again; there is nothing to compare with to verify that the process observed in those species is actually evolution. It is a guess.
8. Charts are of no value as the drawings are just the artist conception of what an ancient animal looks like and rarely do we find anything more than bones in which to draw, specifically, its appearance. Thus we are left with conceptions that have no basis in reality and are drawn just to satisfy a scientist's theory and usually it is not fact.
9. Genealogy cannot be used with evolution for just looking at the fossils it is impossible to determine which is the parent and which is the child. With no evolutionary process observable today, especially for those fossils it is unrealistic to think one can say which came first and which came second. There is no knowledge to prove the process or the conclusion.
10. Dating with all of its controversies and subjectiveness and susceptibility to contamination cannot be trusted nor can its final date be counted as absolute fact. There is no ancient record to back up its findings, thus all conclusions are false.
There really is nothing for evolution to stand upon except guesswork, theory, concepts and conjecture thus evolution really is not scientific as there is not one science that can be used to prove it true. So evolution winds up to be a greater myth than the creation account found in you know where.
i have been waiting for some time now1. what are you afraid of? if evolution is true, then those that adhere to it would not be threatened by the teaching of other points of view. they would have the truth and be secure in that knowledge.
2. what makes you afraid of the intelligent design concept? i do not agree with their label as it opens the door to too many theories as to who started it all but in reality if evolution is true then i.d. can not be a threat.
3. why do all evolutionists have a closed mind to alternative thinking especially in light of the fact that their 'evidence' is so conveniently placed where it can not be observed and verified. at least with i.d. we can view their claims in the here and now and not wait for millions of years to see any change.
4. why do evolutionist resort to personal attacks or attack the credentials of the opposition? if evolution is true, the folly of their opponents would be seen very quickly and dismissed by their own futility in proving their viewpoint.
5. how do the evolutionists know that the earth is older than the i.d. supporters claim? there were no human eyewitnesses at the initial origination who recorded the event so how do they know they found the correct solution?
6. how do evolutionists know they have struck upon the correct interpretation of the evolutionary process? since no one really knows the original conditions nor have evidence of the evolutionary process at work as described, how do they know what they propose is correct? they have no control in which to compare data, they have no process active in the modern age that proceeds along the avenues that is described by evolutionists to provide as evidence to prove their findings so when do they know they have the answer?
they can't go to the fossil record as that is so limited in its scope that all it can prove is that all you have are two stones showing the remains of two animals, there is nothing in the fossil record which can prove the process actually happened.
7. why are evolutionists afraid to take off their rose colored glasses and honestly examine there own theory for intelligence and credibility? i do not care if you want to think you came from nothing but at least propose a theory that has some chance of being proven beyond conjecture, with the evidence having the ability of being observed in modern times, and in action.
...I see a self-important, overbearing, intolerant, jealous, aggressive, machiavellian 'person' (commandments 1, 2, 3, 4).archaeologist wrote:[...] when you read the Bible [...]
that is because that is all you have. you can't use science because the evidence doesn't support evolution. you can't use history as it doesn't suport the theory either. you can't use archaeology because the discoveries do not support evolution and so on.Better to find a cartoon or something
no, for you need to study the Bible to get the full picture and that means using outside sources such as archaeology and history to aid in understanding what is being said, how it is being said and why certain actions took place.yes, we take it by faith that it is true and we really do not need proof but it helps when discussing the Bible and it helps when people use the physical evidence falsely like most researchers do.Excuse me, but don't you have this reversed
if you think that is me, you are wrong. i do see that in allthe opponents of the creation story. if you weren't intolerant, you would not be opposed to having it taught in the science classroom. also if you had the truth, you could answer the questions but you don't and you can't....I see a self-important, overbearing, intolerant, jealous, aggressive, machiavellian 'person'
Saying the same bullshit over and over doesn't convince anyone, because bullshit is just bullshit, reverend archie. You are a bullshit geyser. Keep saying it over and over and you'll convince yourself, but not intelligent people.archaeologist wrote:that is because that is all you have. you can't use science because the evidence doesn't support evolution. you can't use history as it doesn't suport the theory either. you can't use archaeology because the discoveries do not support evolution and so on.Better to find a cartoon or something
eonce you get past the original conjectures, thereis nothing that evolution has tooffer. if it did you would be able to, without attacking the opponent, present scientific finds that ultimately prove evolution true.
'after 100 years and millions of pieces of evidence, you would think that scientists would be able to say, this is the way it is...'(darwin's enigma by lundgrin, if i remember correctly).
this is the other thing, with all this time and all this evidence you should be close to a solution and state how it all happened; but you can't because the evidence doesn't support the theory, there is no consensus among scientists as to how it works and which is the right way and you can not duplicate the theory in practice or we would see apes turning into humans in the laboratory even now.
without knowing the original conditions, without observation of the hypothetical, there is nothing...
no, for you need to study the Bible to get the full picture and that means using outside sources such as archaeology and history to aid in understanding what is being said, how it is being said and why certain actions took place.yes, we take it by faith that it is true and we really do not need proof but it helps when discussing the Bible and it helps when people use the physical evidence falsely like most researchers do.Excuse me, but don't you have this reversed
if you think that is me, you are wrong. i do see that in allthe opponents of the creation story. if you weren't intolerant, you would not be opposed to having it taught in the science classroom. also if you had the truth, you could answer the questions but you don't and you can't....I see a self-important, overbearing, intolerant, jealous, aggressive, machiavellian 'person'