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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:39 am
by ravenwing5910
Charlie Hatchett wrote:Carbonate, if pure enough, can be dated via uranium-series analyses. If the carbonate is adhered to a flake channel then it can be determined the piece was worked prior to the age of the carbonate.
Wow, I remember that! evidence my education is sinking in.,,,,
But I am curious about the numbers of tools found in a single site, and the pictures indicate that you are working in a creek bed. So I have to ask if you have looked up stream for other sites that this stuff has washed down from? Or, have you done some investigation into where the stream was during the period these items may have been left? I would think it is a work site but still seems to be alot of items. could this be a "dump area" for the discards? I know about the evidence of iron working, but I can't seem to correlate that with pre-clovis (dates you know). yes I have a LOT of questions, remember I am a student, so it is my nature to have questions. And chances are good that when you answer these questions your answers will spark a few dozen more questions.
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:38 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:04 pm
by ravenwing5910
I sure appreciate your answers, I wonder if I could have the long and lat so I can check it out on googleearth? not real good at geology, but like to look anyway. have you found anything interesting upstream? Is there a bend in the creek that would hold up the debris or could there be something more down stream of equal interest? If the people worked here, where did they live? (yeah I know hunter gatherer stuff, but they had to eat and sleep, so have you found where that could have been?). I sure hope I am not bugging you too much.
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:24 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:43 pm
by Beagle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
Actually the GPS numbers are a lot more than longitude and latitude.
And Charlie, if you have a GPS device, I wouldn't put it on the net. You might find a crowd down there if you do.
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:53 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:57 pm
by ravenwing5910
Hate to admit it but I wouldn't know what to do with GPS anyway. Lon and lat will work for me. and he's right, don't put that info out there or you will have a crowd. I would be happy to send you my email address if this pm is not secure.
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:58 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Charlie
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:35 pm
by Cognito
I sure hope I am not bugging you too much.
R/W, getting Charlie to talk about his rocks is not a problem, but you must be warned ... there is no
OFF BUTTON!
Actually, many people are waiting for Bischoff and Sharp to complete their dating of Charlie's material. If the results come in anywhere near 145kya we want him to talk non-stop! Charlie's enthusiasm is contagious and if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat he will get a tremendous amount of support and publicity from a variety of groups. Part of the ensuing fun will be watching American archaeology being turned on its head.
Virginia
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:41 pm
by Cognito
Listen here, mofo, you better be all over this.
Virginia is the one who hooked me up with Bischoff and Sharp. She has a lot of pull, though archeologists hate her.
Charlie, I would ask you to be patient, but I know better!
I have respected Virginia's perseverance and courage for decades. She is the reason why I started looking into Calico in the first place. Here is my response:
Thank you, Virginia!
The Friends of the Pleistocene may hold their annual meeting at Calico this October as part of Meredith Dunn's (USGS) ongoing research into re-dating the Afton Canyon incision. If this occurs I will be tagging along on tours of the Lake Manix area with geological expertise at my side.
You probably know Fred Budinger who succeeded Ruth Dee Simpson as site scientist after she passed away. He is a wealth of information regarding Lake Manix, and can point me to the most promising tephra layers. Of course, he is highly interested in finding bones but I don't believe that will occur specifically at the Calico dig site due to its soil composition.
The next time I am at the site I will get some updated pictures of Fred and others. These are a great group of people doing considerable work without any support from the local BLM. In addition to Valsequillo, Fred is closely awaiting Bischoff's and Sharp's dating results for Charlie's material. Also, I'll find out where that clay pot is!
Patrick
Re: Virginia
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:58 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:00 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:39 pm
by Minimalist
R/W, getting Charlie to talk about his rocks is not a problem, but you must be warned ... there is no OFF BUTTON!
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:32 am
by Charlie Hatchett
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:38 am
by Charlie Hatchett
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