dr. schoch and his contribution to archaeology

ReneDescartes · Post by **ReneDescartes** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:59 am

Are they growing their crops under the earth too ?If not there will be a problem soon enough .

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:58 am

archaeologist wrote:western montana had some and one of their colleges built underground. this was around the Polson area. never went in any of the buildings but it looked okay.

Bermed earth used in future housing will save untold amounts of energy.
The ambient temperature of the earth being around 55-58 degrees F. is the best year round insulation.

Saves trees too.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:57 pm

bringing this back to Schoch, i just got another ofhis books yesterday and in the first chapter he talks about his initial encounter with John Anthony West.

in the Pyramid Quest on page 3 he says:

"But, like Schwaller de Lubicz, West couldn't investigate this hypothesis himself. Evaluating the Sphynx's erosion patterns required a geologist and that is how West came to me...When West and I first met, Itold him frankly that i was skeptical of his ideas. After all, a great many able scholars had studied the sphynx and surely they would have noticed something as obvious as water erosion....I had been in Egypt just a few days when i realized something. As capable as all those scholars who have studied ancient Egypt are, they don't know how to look atrock, stone and soil the way a geoligist does. I had a geologist's training and my scientific eye told me there was something to West and ...Lubicz's ideas."

now you all may have known this before but it seems that schoch took the mainstream approach to the sphynx initially and held mainstream views.
was it west that influenced him to go down this alternative path he has taken?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:58 pm

no
it was money

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:13 pm

He did become famous after that so money may well have been a factor. I do think that he believes what he says about the sphinx. He's not lying just for money. I don't see a lot of geologists rallying behind him for support, however. I think West is a kook, but Schoch seems to be a fairly nice guy. Money can make you do some weird shit sometimes, though.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:22 pm

so can girlfriends
he was married with kids until recently

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:26 pm

Yeah girlfriends screw up everything. Right Mel?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:54 pm

whos mel dating now then ?

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:03 pm

archaeologist wrote:bringing this back to Schoch, i just got another ofhis books yesterday and in the first chapter he talks about his initial encounter with John Anthony West.

in the Pyramid Quest on page 3 he says:

"But, like Schwaller de Lubicz, West couldn't investigate this hypothesis himself. Evaluating the Sphynx's erosion patterns required a geologist and that is how West came to me...When West and I first met, Itold him frankly that i was skeptical of his ideas. After all, a great many able scholars had studied the sphynx and surely they would have noticed something as obvious as water erosion....I had been in Egypt just a few days when i realized something. As capable as all those scholars who have studied ancient Egypt are, they don't know how to look atrock, stone and soil the way a geoligist does. I had a geologist's training and my scientific eye told me there was something to West and ...Lubicz's ideas."

now you all may have known this before but it seems that schoch took the mainstream approach to the sphynx initially and held mainstream views.
was it west that influenced him to go down this alternative path he has taken?

That excerpt from his book reveals the simple truth behind the Sphinx controversy. That is, archaeologists are not geologists. To be sure, the boundaries can blur at times, but as a geologist Schoch merely pointed out an obvious feature of the Sphinx, Sphinx enclosure, and the Sphinx temple.

They are more weathered than the rest of the Giza structures.

West was the person who convinced Schoch to go examine the Sphinx. That is about the only time Schoch has agreed with West I think.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:08 pm

was it west that influenced him to go down this alternative path he has taken?

Alternative path. He may seem like a bit of a "hippy" but that doesn't effect his ability as a geologist.

I have read his articles to various people,etc. I haven't read any of his books.

I only retired a year ago and I have a lot of catching up to do.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:20 pm

but that doesn't effect his ability as a geologist

but it does affect his ability as an archaeologist writer
because he isn't one
two of his books don't cover geology at all
Pyramid Quest: Secrets of the Great Pyramid and the Dawn of Civilization
Voyages of the Pyramid Builders: The True Origins of the Pyramids from Lost Egypt to Ancient America

and when you've read them you'd probably know why

and whats he done since he first went to see the sphinx
he's revised his date so that it no longer agrees with anyone
hes visited Yonaguni and was non committal
and hes visited Bosnia
can anyone guess what he's going to say about that ?

now that hes taken up with a corn circle ufologist don't expect it to get any better

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:29 pm

You mentioned the books that he has written and the fact that they are outside of his field. I'll get around to reading them. It's a fair question.

The rest of your post sounds more like ad hominem comments.

We'll keep track of him on this thread.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:44 pm

http://www.dailygrail.com/node/823

Here is a critique of "Voyages of the Pyramid Builders". While not that favorable a review, it makes me want to read the book even more.

From The Daily Grail.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:51 pm

i've got it right here on my bookshelf
It is a good book and well written and its well worth a read because he does treat most of the sites he mentions with the orthodox brush so at least you know you are getting the facts
but his conclusion when it comes is not only ridiculous but also extremely funny

the Sundalanders did it
all these guys all seem to be saying that Atlantis did it yet not actually daring to say the "A" word itself
in other words they don't know who did it so best to claim that some group for whom theres no evidence either way is responsible.
and none of them ever consider the genetic evidence that not only completely destroys Hancocks "living by the sea shore when it suddenly rose" but also anyone who claims that Atlanteans founded all or any of the cultures in the ancient world
funny blood group they had
must have been mtdna abcdefghijklmonopqrstuvwxyz that was responsible
still
they are all miles ahead of the A.R.E. so at least they have that

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:16 pm

It's like Schoch thought swimming with sharks wasn't exciting enough, so he decided to throw some blood in the water as well. Because behind the idea of a primary pyramid-building culture lies one of the dirtiest words in all of academic archaeology: hyper-diffusionism. And walking hand-in-hand with that word is another, even worse: Atlantis.

this seems tobe the best partof that article. now the next sentence is going to cause me grief and i hate saying it but...

i have to agree in part with Marduk on his assessment on schoch's work--the pyramid builders. i have read it and felt that Schoch went well out of his expertise and took on more than he can chew. plus his one pyramid building society thoery just doesn't have enough evidence to back up his claims.

unless you go with the Bible and see how the idea to build originally became implanted upon all people at the time,there is no real answer as to why so many different civilizations had the same idea. (i am just throwing in my perspective here and not turning this into a religious debate)

i will agree that he is a good geologist but a lousy archaeologist and he should stay within his field. he can contribute much as i tend to agree with him concerning the age of the sphynx.

but all in all i look forward to reading 'pyramid quest' and seeing what he has to say.[/b]