Homo Erectus/Neanderthal in North America?

Barracuda · Post by **Barracuda** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:04 pm

Most of my friends would say that a sapient Barracuda is an oxymoron!

Well, I guess, in truth, a lot of my friends are surfers who have no idea what sapient means.....

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:06 pm

Yes, I can see that the pictures should be posted to the Calico thread.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:16 pm

Cognito - it is your post, but they may get more attention in the Calico thread I think. It's up to you. Great pictures but you will be asked sooner or later about some proof or assurances that they come from the same place that Leakey was digging. Thanks.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:41 pm

Yes, Beagle. Point well taken. I will put this in the Calico thread. The area that I am discussing is roughly five miles east of Calico, near the shoreline.

And by the way, on private not government land. I am picking artifacts up in an eroded wash ... not digging.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:49 pm

That is great Cognito, I would like it if you revived the old Calico thread. It's on page two.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:35 am

OK, more to the point of this thread. Can anyone here explain this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3715132.stm

Having Asians interact with H. Erectus, not infect anyone else around them, and then migrate to the Americas just seems to be a little too complicated.

BTW, H. Erectus is my wife's favourite hominid.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:06 am

However, this does not explain why the louse lineage that evolved on archaic humans is restricted to the Americas.

theres so many factors that they didn't even look at that could have caused a split in headlice populations in the new and old worlds

headlice are prone to the same environmental challenges that the rest of us face
just imagine if one type of headlice preferred blondes

how would that jigger the results with only brunettes going to america

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:15 am

just imagine if one type of headlice preferred blondes

Actually, that would explain some blonde behaviour, wouldn't it?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:22 am

it would explain why the old species of headlice is only found in certain populations
the new blonde master race lice species killed all the competition in annexing their new territory and then when they had consolidated their power spread to the rest of the continent they controlled with only one or two pockets of resistance from isolated groups of ancient lice populations (witha proud heritage

) on islands preventing them from conquering the world of lice
its a common story

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:22 am

BTW, H. Erectus is my wife's favourite hominid.

I'm not going to touch that line.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:29 am

Having Asians interact with H. Erectus, not infect anyone else around them, and then migrate to the Americas just seems to be a little too complicated.

Almost seems easier to believe the H Erectus got to America with his head lice in tow and hung around waiting for HSS to show up, doesn't it?

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:58 am

I suspect that small populations of H. erectus were in the Americas since anomolies keep oozing out of the woodwork, but the proof will be long in coming. See the following:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041004 ... -2802r.htm

Not a great and irrefutable discovery since the H. erectus bones lost their context, but interesting just the same. It would be worthwhile surveying some of the discovery sites with new technologies, but budgets prevail. All in all, I don't know whether it matters that H. erectus was in the Americas or not, but it makes for interesting speculation (the bane of Marduk).

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:04 pm

And archaeologists have never found a trace of Homo erectus in the Americas.

Do you suppose that might be because the "Club" has ruled that they were not here and therefore archaeologists are dissuaded from looking?

There is a difference between "not finding" and "not looking."

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:08 pm

Do you suppose that might be because the "Club" has ruled that they were not here and therefore archaeologists are dissuaded from looking?

the club doesn't exist
archaeology is a science and requires actual evidence
what you're thinking of is psuedoscience where you come up with a theory first and then look for the evidence that fits and don't look at any that doesn't
and it would help if occaisonally you got your data from a source that isn't two years old

October 05, 2004

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:12 pm

Why would they do that, Bob? What is the reason for this big conspiracy against finding new information? Reputation? I don't think many scientists care that much about being wrong since that's the way science works. We believe one thing until it is proven wrong and then we revise our beliefs. I don't deny that politics exists and some things are kept under wraps at times, but I just don't understand why. Stubborn people cling to what they were taught in school I suppose. I don't see any "club". Maybe many clubs but not just one which holds back progress.

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