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Stellarchaser wrote:

Fortuneteller wrote:

The Os' foundation was open for politicians, rock stars, the Austrian army, primary school students and tourists. Openness towards scientific communities is a totally different game.

Well, he and Visoko Museum have right to invite anyone they wants. So far there are scientists from Egypt and Greece, soon to be expected more from Serbia Croatia and Slovenia and some other european countries. So again, what makes you think that any scientist can come here, just because it's his wish? Why they should be welcomed here, especially if they sneak around like Mr. Harding? You think the world is your playground and that you can do whatever you want? Well, you can't. At least not in Bosnia.

I was born and raised in Bosnia. No further comments necessary.

Stellarchaser wrote:You are constantly criticizing project, so what? It is your right, but that's all you can do. As I said before, we're going to excavate in our country when and what we want, according to our laws.

Sasha, I do not criticize the project. I only expose facts. For example:

Fact No. 1: Bosnia is a free country.
Fact No. 2: Mr. Harding is a recognized expert.
Fact No. 3: Mr. Harding is a free man.
Fact No. 4: There is freedom of speech in Bosnia.

Therefore, Mr. Harding may come to Bosnia whenever he wants and he may say whatever he wants, because, as an expert, he is entitled to give us his opinions. There will always be Bosnians who appreciate his opinion. If somebody does not like what Mr. Harding said, that’s too bad. Let them proove that Harding was wrong.

We are looking forward to seeing Osmanagich's presentation on Friday, June 23.

Osmanagich announced a public presentation of his research results:

Good.


That should be good for another 60 pages.

Speaking of trees, there were several photos of rocks under spruce trees. The deep green patches probably consist of our common spruce trees (Picea abies). However, I think that I saw some artifically planted evergreen trees. There were many photos publised and I cannot find them all, but I remember that I noticed younge trees.

This is second hand info...Geologist on Visocica are accepting that there are natural pavements,but they are pointing out that there are layers below pavements wich have unnatural layering in horisontal and vertical fashion.probably this is connected with identification and dating of the layers.It will be imposible to identify these points solely based on the pictures from exavations.Probably this is main drive to push for human involvment because of inconsistent layering,they are theorising that this material have been brought from other places.Than there are layered pavements with two and three layers of sandstone blocks imediately one on another...etc.
Personaly for me it will be interesting teorising about geomorfology of the terrian of Visocica wich have raised this hill.I dont think that bench mining can be applied here.Probably brecia , sandstone plates and erosion have part in the deal for contenporary pyramid look.

RK Awl-O'Gist wrote

Ciko,
Nowhere in those photos can you actually see the south side of that hill.

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Excavatio ... age618.jpg

here you can see south side of the pyramid, it eroded much but still pyramid shape

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Fortuneteller wrote:

Stellarchaser wrote:

Fortuneteller wrote:

The Os' foundation was open for politicians, rock stars, the Austrian army, primary school students and tourists. Openness towards scientific communities is a totally different game.

Well, he and Visoko Museum have right to invite anyone they wants. So far there are scientists from Egypt and Greece, soon to be expected more from Serbia Croatia and Slovenia and some other european countries. So again, what makes you think that any scientist can come here, just because it's his wish? Why they should be welcomed here, especially if they sneak around like Mr. Harding? You think the world is your playground and that you can do whatever you want? Well, you can't. At least not in Bosnia.

I was born and raised in Bosnia. No further comments necessary.

Stellarchaser wrote:You are constantly criticizing project, so what? It is your right, but that's all you can do. As I said before, we're going to excavate in our country when and what we want, according to our laws.

Sasha, I do not criticize the project. I only expose facts. For example:

Fact No. 1: Bosnia is a free country.
Fact No. 2: Mr. Harding is a recognized expert.
Fact No. 3: Mr. Harding is a free man.
Fact No. 4: There is freedom of speech in Bosnia.

Therefore, Mr. Harding may come to Bosnia whenever he wants and he may say whatever he wants, because, as an expert, he is entitled to give us his opinions. There will always be Bosnians who appreciate his opinion. If somebody does not like what Mr. Harding said, that’s too bad. Let them proove that Harding was wrong.

We are looking forward to seeing Osmanagich's presentation on Friday, June 23.

Therefore, Mr. Harding may come to Bosnia whenever he wants and he may say whatever he wants, because, as an expert, he is entitled to give us his opinions. There will always be Bosnians who appreciate his opinion.

Yes, Fortuneteller, Mr.Harding is recognized expert. Nobody's denying it. I'm not denying that he's a free man too, as you say, or that he's entitled to give you or us his opinions.

What I clearly said in previous posts, is that he, as recognized expert, and furthermore as president of European Archeologists Association, in my opinion, failed to use regular assesment tools. That's why I can't consider hiss assesment trustworthy. If some of the archeologists want or have to believe Mr.Harding's words and experience, I don't (hey, I'm a free man too ), and after all this soup opera about him, I still thinks that he didn't do proper archeological assesment of the site. Soon, I think, UNESCO expert team will arive, and let's see which assessment tools they will use (about which RK kindly and proffessionally informed us (I'm talking about people who are not scientists or experts like me) here on this site. And I'm really hoping that they are going to use those tools.

Let them proove that Harding was wrong.

I'm affraid that Mr.Harding allready proved himself wrong, because he said that he believed that pavent is natural. According to his own words, he didn't see pavement live, but just on photographs. If anything there is man-made, that is a pavement. Another reason for me to be sceptical about his assessment. But he wouldn't make that mistake if he used some of the archeological assessment tools, and that's what is all about: it is not the problem that I don't like what he has said; more immportant question for me is : based on what he said that? We heard here: based on his experience. But in science sometimes that is simply not enough.

Fortuneteller wrote:There is something new on the Foundation's web site. Osmanagich announced a public presentation of his research results:

"… A public presentation of current results of scientific research in the “Bosnian Pyramid Vallie”. The presentation will be delivered by the team of professionals led by the Egyptian experts…

… The results will be presented by using audio-visual methods and supported by slides…"

The presentation was scheduled for Friday, 23.06.2006, 10am. The presentation will take place at Congress Hall…"

I read somewhere else (never use just one source for the news ) that results will be presented by Mr. Barakat and Mrs. Lamiya El Hadydi.

Ciko,
I can't accept that's the same hill. If you look at the other photos of Visoko, nowhere do you see trees that close to the summit. It's very like a picture you posted on page 14, which wasn't described as the south side, but the link is dead now.

Minimalist wrote:Uh-oh....more pyramids.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006- ... 727356.htm

CHANGCHUN, June 21 (Xinhua) -- Chinese archaeologists have discovered a group of ancient tombs shaped like pyramids, dating back at least 3,000 years, in Jiaohe City of northeast China's Jilin Province.

Let's prepare ourselves for about million new guests on this site

RK Awl-O'Gist wrote:Ciko,
I can't accept that's the same hill. If you look at the other photos of Visoko, nowhere do you see trees that close to the summit. It's very like a picture you posted on page 14, which wasn't described as the south side, but the link is dead now.

it really looks like some other hill.

RK Awl-O'Gist wrote:Thanks for that, Paul. You can see the photos I'm referring to on page 14, where Ciko posted them yesterday.

At the "Pyramid of Moon" the benches, which are shown in pictures of the excavation, are examples of the type of contour "mining" (excavation), which I discussed above, of flat layers of bedrock back into the hillside. If they continued excavating there, ther would likely find that their so-called "stonework" extends back into the hillside as any layer of sedimentary rock would. Pictures of what I talking about can be found at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pm_s1_5.jpg ,

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... CF7337.jpg ,

and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... yramid.jpg at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MoonPyramid.jpg

In the latter two pictures, parallel bedding in thin-bedded Miocene sediments can be seen directly overlying what is claimed to be man-made "stonework".

Compare the face of the cut overlying the layers of blocks to the below pictures:

1. http://www.virtual-geology.info/sedshot ... sh0004.jpg
Parallel bedding in lacustrine deposits of the Eocene Green River
Formation. The sediments are mostly silts, clays and carbonates
with evaporites.
http://www.virtual-geology.info/sedshot ... ot004.html

2. http://wrgis.wr.usgs.gov/parks/olym/tbblue2.jpg
Deer Park - Blue Mountain STOP 5: Deer Park Road
http://wrgis.wr.usgs.gov/parks/olym/ftstop5.html

By the way, ironically, I am a native Texan, born and raised in Baytown, Texas, when it was a small company town lying just across Trinity Bay from Houston, Texas.

Yours,

Paul H.

Ciko

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I can't accept that's the same hill. If you look at the other photos of Visoko, nowhere do you see trees that close to the summit. It's very like a picture you posted on page 14, which wasn't described as the south side, but the link is dead now.

there is no trees on topp of the ill, only bushes

I can't accept that's the same hill

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whaaaaat , are your joking man

why should i post photos on wrong hill , man, come on, give me a break

Ciko,
I'm not suggesting YOU did it deliberately, but that really doesn't look like the reverse slope of the same hill.

RK Awl-O'Gist wrote:Ciko,
I'm not suggesting YOU did it deliberately, but that really doesn't look like the reverse slope of the same hill.

That is the same hill, just different angle that photograph is taken.

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/150606 ... nca-05.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/150606 ... nca-01.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/150606 ... nca-04.jpg