Has the NA Current ever been proven to have shut down, or has it simply moved south, after all, once the land bridge between N and S America formed the heated water in the Gulf of Mexico would still have had to run north. The currents in the Atlantic are controlled by the Sun, land masses and the Coriolis effect. Can these alter?For example, when the North Atlantic current shuts down, it doesn't take centuries to make an impact, but only three years to turn Eurasia into an icebox.
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Fascinating article Cog, and good reasoning, but let ask you a question?
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Digit, as I understand it, the current weakens and reforms farther south. You are correct that it never "shuts off"; however, at the same time it goes away as far as Northern Europe is concerned.Has the NA Current ever been proven to have shut down, or has it simply moved south, after all, once the land bridge between N and S America formed the heated water in the Gulf of Mexico would still have had to run north.
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That's how I reasoned it Cog because when people tell me it shuts down I'm left wondering how an ice age in Europe can ever end. My next question then becomes to those who say the current is pushed south by increased fresh water flowing into the Atlantic is this, when the north freezes the fresh water flow stops and the warm current should start melting the leading edge of the ice and start the whole cycle over again. And I can't see see each cycle taking thousands of years. This is why I believe that ice age ages must have another cause.
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I am into this a little late, but are we talking NH traveling the Silk Road?
Why?
To do trade?
What kind of mental capacity does it take to think of the possibility taking something relativity common where I am at and go some place else and trade it for something common there but rare at where I came from, then take it back and thus make a buck on the trade?
That is all pretty conceptual isn’t it?
NH could do this?
Why?
To do trade?
What kind of mental capacity does it take to think of the possibility taking something relativity common where I am at and go some place else and trade it for something common there but rare at where I came from, then take it back and thus make a buck on the trade?
That is all pretty conceptual isn’t it?
NH could do this?
Yes, it is the conceptual component that interests me.
You have to be able to come up with the idea that someone “over there” will trade with you.
Then you gather up more than you currently need of whatever it is, travel with the hope someone “over there” being willing to gather up more of what they have then they need, and trade with you.
(And not just ambush you and steal it.)
This is pretty basic capitalism.
And you are far from subsistence hunting and gathering.
You have to be able to come up with the idea that someone “over there” will trade with you.
Then you gather up more than you currently need of whatever it is, travel with the hope someone “over there” being willing to gather up more of what they have then they need, and trade with you.
(And not just ambush you and steal it.)
This is pretty basic capitalism.
And you are far from subsistence hunting and gathering.
And seems as natural to HSS KB as eating and sleeping. Bronze artifacts made in Switzerland have been found in the UK and flint that had travelled miles from its source.
I wonder what a flint dealer would want in exchange though, early trading must have been limited to few basic materials, anyone any ideas?
I wonder what a flint dealer would want in exchange though, early trading must have been limited to few basic materials, anyone any ideas?
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Flint would be damned heavy to carry, sounds to me as if it might have been rough worked to reduce its weight and I'm thinking a sledge or a dog carring a pack perhaps. Either that or flint would have had a very high value.
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Regarding trade networks, I've found that reading up on isolated cultures (specifically those of my usual place) gives a misleading impression of poor to middling trade connections, yet wandering around INAH, both the archaeological/historical and ethnography sections you really get a startling impression of innumerable lively and far-reaching trade routes, which if true of Mexico is most likely true elsewhere and going back some time, or so I would imagine. I suspect the ancient world was a lot better connected than one might think from first appearances, and I'm not talking about just the areas which have left large and impressive architectural evidence of culture.
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Modern man seem to possess a natural bias toward reckoning his prehistoric counterparts as unintelligent or incapable. It must be remembered, even if they did not possess our knowledge of how things work, they were neither unintelligent nor incapable in any respect. These were Homo Sapiens. "Thinking man". They were clever, even brilliant I am sure; and capable of overcoming any obstacle through intelligence and perseverence. Things like mountains and seas would only be obstacles for a brief time.
I have no problem believing different groups were in contact with one another over time and space as necessary or expedient to the betterment of the tribe, clan or whatever community they resided. It seems unlikely, they would routinely travel 1000s of miles but a 20-30 day journey to some distant place may not have been out of the realm of possibility if expediency required it and certainly, shorter journeys would have been commonplace.
I have no problem believing different groups were in contact with one another over time and space as necessary or expedient to the betterment of the tribe, clan or whatever community they resided. It seems unlikely, they would routinely travel 1000s of miles but a 20-30 day journey to some distant place may not have been out of the realm of possibility if expediency required it and certainly, shorter journeys would have been commonplace.
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Send young men from your tribe on a Vision Quest. It's a great way to rid yourself of a useless village idiot while achieving peace and quiet at home. Occasionally, one will return with trade goods and exciting stories from afar.It seems unlikely, they would routinely travel 1000s of miles but a 20-30 day journey to some distant place may not have been out of the realm of possibility if expediency required it and certainly, shorter journeys would have been commonplace.
"Og, travel 60 days towards the setting sun, then return whence you came. Collect anything valuable along the way."
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