Giza

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:11 pm

Minimalist wrote:Habeas corpus, Frank?

Where is the body?

Who is to say that the stone "crypt" was ever intended to be a crypt?

Where is the cover? Or did the 'robbers' take that out too?

There are a few holes in the story. Just like the bible.

Recall that when the Caliph broke in, 1,000 years ago, the GP looked the same as it does today...and the Caliph was greatly disappointed.

There ain't no bodies in most of the tombs. That don't mean nothin'. Maybe he was moved by the priests like so many others were. Maybe the tomb was robbed and then cleaned up by the priests. The missing lid is a bit of a mystery, but there could be a simple explanation for that too. Maybe the lid was wood and it rotted away. (probably not) Nobody knows.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:20 pm

True but the evidence of a robbery is present...holes in the walls...mummies broken up for the jewels...things thrown around and smashed.

Something does not seem kosher.

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:36 pm

Maybe the tomb was robbed and then cleaned up by the priests. Maybe the Caliphe lied. Looks like a tomb to me. What other thing could it have been built for?

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:47 pm

What other thing could it have been built for?

Yes....what indeed?

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:20 pm

Minimalist wrote:
What other thing could it have been built for?

Yes....what indeed?

Well? Any ideas? Any ideas about how they built it? You're good at shootin' down other people's ideas, but do you have any theories of your own? (That sounds like I'm being a smartass, but I'm not) I think you have some idea about what it may have been if not a tomb. Spit it out, dude!

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:35 pm

If you get passed the 20 year time frame then almost any of the mechanisms so far put forward would probably work....especially if used in combination.

Answering the "How" question gives no insight into the "Who", "What", "When", and "Why" questions....("Where?" is pretty obvious!)

Further, why does Khufu's have massive internal chambers and passageways but Khafre's does not? (Khafre's "tomb" does have a lid for its "sarcophagus" but again, no inkling that it was ever utilized.)

The layout of the 3'd pyramid is similar to the second....an entry low on the side of the pyramid with a declining passage into an underground chamber. The 3'd pyramid is also smaller than Sneferu's Red Pyramid.

Perhaps the Egyptians only built the 3'd pyramid at Giza and merely adopted two original pyramids. During WWII in the South Pacific there were repeated examples of "Cargo Cults" springing up among the islanders. After the war passed them by they would construct models of the aircraft which no longer used their island in the hope that the "gods" would return.

Maybe that's what we have here? It took a while but the Egyptians finally learned how to make smaller facsimiles of the monstous edifices in their midst?

I don't know but I think I am going to order that guy's book.

zagor · Post by **zagor** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:01 am

Frank Harrist wrote:
Minimalist wrote:I've got to think about that one, Frank. On the surface, it seems kind of Rube Goldbergish.

If you are going to postulate that the Egyptians had knowledge of the use of 'counterweights', why not simply give them a decent sized wooden crane based on the 'shadouf' that they use to lift water for their fields?
Set the crane up next to the pyramid and simply lift each stone up?
They probably used something like that. They obviously knew about levers and counterweights. They would have had dozens of "shadouf-like" cranes all over the pyramid. Dozens of crews placing blocks. Dozens hauling them up and so forth.

The builders of pyramids knew and much more than that and technique they used is probably is the same as used by Edward Leedskalnin who build his Coral Castle on Florida by himself or, which I doubt, Sound Levitation Of Large Stones as Tibetans doing.

Perfectly Aligned 9-Ton Gate Can Be Opened by Five-Year Old Child Using One Finger.

tj · Post by tj » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:50 pm

Thanks for the reminder zagor. Coral Castle is all of about 30 minutes away from me and I've been meaning to visit it for.. 6 years now.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:07 pm

Sound levitation in Tibet....

Well, at Giza, Nan Madol and Sachsayhuaman there are traditions of large stones flying through the air.

Ridiculous, of course.....

Excerpt from 'Anti-gravity and the World Grid' edited by D.H.Childress, ch.8, Acoustic levitation of stones by Bruce Cathie, pp. 213-217

A New Zealand scientist recently gave me an intriguing extract from an article published in a German magazine, relating to a demonstration of levitation in Tibet.

http://www.rense.com/general42/soundlev.htm

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:26 pm

Hey Minimalist and Frank, you should check this site out!

I have found that ancient legends from around the world are true. Some megaliths could have been set in place by as few as one man. I could build The Great Pyramid of Giza, using my techniques and primitive tools. On a twenty-five year construction schedule, (working forty hours per week at fifty weeks per year, using the input of myself to calculate) I would need a crew of 520 people to move blocks from the main quarry to the site and another 100 to move the blocks on site. For hoisting I need a crew of 120 (40 working and 80 rotating). My crew can raise 7000 lb. 100 ft. per minute. I have found the design of the pyramid is functional in it’s own construction. No external ramp is needed.

http://www.theforgottentechnology.com.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:33 pm

I did.

Make it 32 theories.

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:55 pm

This one looks interesting because (if he's telling the truth)
he was able to do something pretty impresive, which he figured out
all by himself. (He had to build his own rocks!)

If he didn't solve the mystery of the pyramids, he at least showed himself to be some sort of genius.

Some of the pictures didn't show in my browser, so I can't vouch for all his claims. It must be pretty exhausting to move hundreds of pounds from one end of that slab to another to tip the balance for each step.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:58 pm

Limestone is a pretty soft rock.

I wonder how beaten up it would be using that method?

I also could not view many of his pictures.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:42 pm

That's pretty amazing. I'd like him to demonstrate how to move a 10 ton stone. It looks like he could though.

Frank Harrist · Post by **Frank Harrist** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:29 am

I couldn't view many of his pics. His description of his methods is a little sketchy, but if I understand it properly it's pretty simple and easy to move stones like that. I'm sure the egyptians used these methods at least part of the time. I've moved some pretty heavy stuff with levers.