Roman DNA

[E.P. Grondine]

Simon, the problem that you have is that the letter you cite
does not have "Britons",
but rather "ASSOCIATES" of the Scots and Picts,
which fact largely accounts for the documents preservation,
as it lets the early Anglo Saxons, those "associates",
off the hook entirely by omitting their name.

For that matter, we do not know what the original document
may have said with any certainty,
given the centuries of "editorial bias" in its chain of transmission.

Definitive answer as to who the Dal Riada were (the Scots at this time)
awaits the results of the excavation of sites in Ireland and Scotland.

If you are trying to work from Roman Britain to Sub-Roman Britain,
you will need to locate Hinba,
the site of that coronation ceremony
where the "Angels" smote Columba.
I vaguely remember that the City of London library had a copy of
the LIfe of Saint David y Teilo.

Moving on,
the"Gnostic" aspects of both the Druids and the "apostates"
are well beyond your competency,
in my opinion,
though I would welcome any attempt by you
to prove my assessment wrong.

[E.P. Grondine]

Sorry you seem obsessed with meteorites. Is this meant seriously?

Actually, I am interested in a new field of scientific research
recent small asteroid and comet impacts with the Earth.

You need your pills again.
You think the Anglo Saxons were martians.
As I say you are cracking up.
Waiting for the inevitable police visit

Essentially the problem here is that we have an ignorant man using terms etc he simply does not understand.

Like many frauds he believes if he can try to write like an academic (as he perceives an academic to be having obviously never met any - in fact real academics write extremely clearly) using phrases pulled from the internet he will somehow appear credible. Like old vacuum salesmen in the atomic age used atomic science terms to sell cleaners.

Our man's problem however is that he cannot write a coherent sentence - merely strings of clauses that bear no relation to each other and leave out meaning.

In fact, real academics never engage in slander,
but deal with data.

I write as clearly as I can,
but you seem to have a problem understanding English,
as you can not tell the difference between "associates" and "Britons".

Now we are claiming time travel? Scotland is in Northern Europe.
But it is not in Denmark as you seem to think.

Oh dear half brain is wandering again. According to him there is no Anglo Saxon armour it was all manufactured from one small site in Scotland.

Real academics deal with data,
and do not build strawmen.
The reason they do not do this
is because thy get fired if they do.

But we have established you don't know anything - too much porn, as we see.
I see your wounded friend has cleared off. I told you not to shake hands with him!!!!

the liar chief

Lying seems to be your proffesion.

A silly lie. Similar to claiming you are a native American

Actually, all that I have ever claimed is 1/8 Shawnee by Blood Quotient.

[Simon21]

Actually, I am interested in a new field of scientific research
recent small asteroid and comet impacts with the Earth.

Which is mainly to try and sell a few end-of-time pamphlets and have nothing to do with this thread

In fact, real academics never engage in slander,
but deal with data.

1. They do - but slander is actually verbal so you show your lack of knowledge of basic English. And you have no idea what data or information is apart from pieces you steal from other websites.

I write as clearly as I can,

In which case you should cease. But in fact you try to pretend you are some form of mystical genius by writing pseudo-scientific gibberish

but you seem to have a problem understanding English,as you can not tell the difference between "associates" and "Britons".

These two words are not opposites. Your English is incoherent as usual. Pretending again. Britons can be associates, associates can be British. You cannot actually express yourself in English. Which is another reason you must go.

Real academics deal with data,

As Tiompan observed pointless repitition from someone who can't think what they want to write

and do not build strawmen.
The reason they do not do this
is because thy get fired if they do.

They generally know basic geography and the subject they are talking about and don't lier all the time which you do.

Actually, all that I have ever claimed is 1/8 Shawnee by Blood Quotient.

Which was proved to be a lie sending you into hysterics after which you were rightfully banned

So now we learn that this conman knows no more about academics than he does the English language. Not that there was any doubt.

[Simon21]

Simon, the problem that you have is that the letter you cite
does not have "Britons",
but rather "ASSOCIATES" of the Scots and Picts,
which fact largely accounts for the documents preservation,
as it lets the early Anglo Saxons, those "associates",
off the hook entirely by omitting their name.

Associates is of course a modern English word which liar chief fails to understand. So this para is gibberish as well as being incoherent.

For that matter, we do not know what the original document
may have said with any certainty,
given the centuries of "editorial bias" in its chain of transmission.

Meaningless comment as the Episltle has been known for over 1500 years and intensively studied in a way moron cannot understand.

Definitive answer as to who the Dal Riada were (the Scots at this time)
awaits the results of the excavation of sites in Ireland and Scotland.

Incoherent again. There are no definitive answers to this sort of question and again the area has been studied intensively. The only person who doesn't know this is the pamphlet selling conman and his pseudo babbling about Western Picts

If you are trying to work from Roman Britain to Sub-Roman Britain,
you will need to locate Hinba,
the site of that coronation ceremony
where the "Angels" smote Columba.
I vaguely remember that the City of London library had a copy of
the LIfe of Saint David y Teilo.

More lies and attempts to gain pseudo credibility by misuse of the internet in this case the London Library. Not a word of this makes sense Eastern Scotland d is now confused with Southern Britain, more reason for a banning.

Moving on,
the"Gnostic" aspects of both the Druids and the "apostates"
are well beyond your competency,
in my opinion,
though I would welcome any attempt by you
to prove my assessment wrong.
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This individual is just putting words together and is either taking drugs or is drunk. His porn stash must be running low

[Simon21]

It says someting when someone who is obviously drunk and cannot write a cohesive phrase is allowed to post as well as their peversions and lies

But returning to the subject. Of course like Gildas it would be very helpful to know where Patrick came from. Because wherever it was they still had civic society since Patrick's father was a decurion. Which means of course he must have had money. And of course being a decurion was compulsory

Patrick tells us he came from Bannavem Taburniae, but this has never been found though Bannaventa (possibly hill of sacrifice) is a town from Roman Britain.

[E.P. Grondine]

Associates is of course a modern English word which liar chief fails to understand. So this para is gibberish as well as being incoherent.

Michelle, do I really have to take this s**t from simon with a smile on my face?
Or may I respond in kind,
except with far better insults?
I feel absolutely certain that I could come up with a far better insult than
diseased gay Nazi sheep f*****r,
if given the chance.
Why not let tiompan decide the matter?

In the meantime, simon,
they say that Jesus said that lying is a sin.
They also say that Jesus said that sinners would burn in hell.
And they they also say that Christ advised to love your enemies.

And so I say,
"May you enjoy the eternal warmth of Christian love."

[kbs2244]

A welcome, attempted, gracious exit.

[Simon21]

Associates is of course a modern English word which liar chief fails to understand. So this para is gibberish as well as being incoherent.

Michelle, do I really have to take this s**t from simon with a smile on my face?
Or may I respond in kind,
except with far better insults?
I feel absolutely certain that I could come up with a far better insult than
gay Nazi sheep f*****r,
if given the chance.
Why not let tiompan decide the matter?

Oh dear, dear, dear where is this Christian love?

And got something against gay people too have we?
Don't have these people in woop Woop Ohio?

Remind me - wasn't it the Nazis who believed in racial theory and hated gays,
so that would mean that you er er ... and you do have your hand raised in your photo and
you write silly pamphlets and try to sell them!!! - it all fits!!!

What do you think about jewish people, Jewish gay people - no don't tell me I might throw up

Well we all know who introduced children and porn to the discussion don't we

[Simon21]

A welcome, attempted, gracious exit.

So you think calling someone a: gay Nazi sheep f*****r as this person has
done on several occasions, is gracious?
What have gay people done to you?

[E.P. Grondine]

De romani juris civitate igni sulfureo coelitus prolapso combusta sancti viri prophetia

ALIO itidem in tempore, Lugbeus gente Mocumin, cujus supra mentionem fecimus, quadam ad Sanctum die post frugum veniens triturationem, nullo modo ejus faciem intueri potuit, miro superfusam rubore; valdeque pertimescens cito aufugit. Quem Sanctus complosis paulum manibus revocat. Qui reversus, a Sancto statim interrogatus cur ocius aufugisset, hoc dedit responsum, ‘Ideo fugi quia nimis pertimui.’ Et post aliquod modicum intervallum, fiducialius agens, audet Sanctum interrogare, inquiens, ‘Numquid hac in hora tibi aliqua formidabilis ostensa visio est?’ Cui Sanctus talem dedit responsionem: ‘Tam terrifica ultio nunc in remota orbis parte peracta est.’ ‘Qualis,’ ait juvenis, ‘vindicta, et in qua regione facta?’ Sanctus tum sic profatur: ‘Sulfurea de coelo flamma super Romani juris civitatem, intra Italiae terminos sitam, hac hora effusa est; triaque ferme millia virorum, excepto matrum puerorumque numero disperierunt.’ Et antequam praesens finiatur annus, Gallici nautae, de Galliarum provinciis adventantes, haec eadem tibi enarrabunt. Quae verba post aliquot menses veridica fuisse sunt comprobata. Nam idem Lugbeus, simul cum sancto viro ad Caput Regionis pergens, nauclerum et nautas adventantis barcae interrogans, sic omnia illa de civitate cum civibus ab eis audit enarrata, quemadmodum a praedicabili viro sunt praedicta.

[E.P. Grondine]

simon, may you enjoy the eternal warmth of Christian love.

may Christ quickly take you unto his bosom.

while you are waiting for his call,
you may want to spend time sorting out the manuscript variants here:
https://celt.ucc.ie/published/L201061.htm

"socii"

[Simon21]

Perhaps it ought to be said that it is impossible to have a sensible discussion of anything much less a complex subject like acculturilisation if the person you are trying to discuss with does not have basic knowledge.

1. Geography - knowing where places are. In this case knowing that the vast majority of Romano British people did not live in Scotaand and never have done. And knowing where Scotland is

2. Knowing the languages, or at least one of the primary languages is key to understanding this period particularly in terms of style. Patrick for example wrote in an slightly vernacular latin. He was acutely conscious of his educational shortcomings. This seems to indicate he knoew people better educated than him
Gildas's Latin is more classical and is generally felt could not be before the 480s and earlier than 580. This tells us he was not a witness to the end of Roman Britain but must have used sources.

Obviously we cannot know how Gildas or Patrick actually spoke their latin. The great Kenneth Jackson wrote that a visitor from the papal court might have found Patrick near incomprehensible.

3. You have to know how to read such sources. As good christians both men try to ape the Vulgate Bible - Gildas especially. So his descriptions of flames from end to end must be taken with a grain of salt. He was epxected to use such forms. He certainly was not expected to be literal.

If only we knew where Gildas was writing and which part of Britain he knew his importance would increase exponentially

4. You have to understand the archaeology. Given the era and after much exploration it is clear we are not going to find a 2+2 archaeological find that explains everything - that doesn't happen in this world. But something's are clear. There is no evidence for the destruction of any British town by violence and very little as regards to the massive lowland villas. Even the ballistae bastions are now known to have built largely for show

This does not mean there was no violence in Saxon Adventus of course, but it does seem we are not looking at aany form of good ole 20th century genocide.

Of course this does not mean there is no more to be learned. The texts are still yielding information (it is now claimed Gilds's Superbus Tyrannus might be Magnus Maximus who invited the Saxons in as foederati while he went to conquer Gaul) and as we see at Tintagel new finds are emerging.

But this is not an area for an semi educated amateur with a chip on his shoulder about the Anglo Saxon culture he uses and seems to think the romano-british learned their english from the Picts or Socts.

[Simon21]

simon, may you enjoy the eternal warmth of Christian love.

REQUIEM aeternam dona ei, Domine

And please do it soon

[Simon21]

De romani juris civitate igni sulfureo coelitus prolapso combusta sancti viri prophetia

ALIO itidem in tempore, Lugbeus gente Mocumin, cujus supra mentionem fecimus, quadam ad Sanctum die post frugum veniens triturationem, nullo modo ejus faciem intueri potuit, miro superfusam rubore; valdeque pertimescens cito aufugit. Quem Sanctus complosis paulum manibus revocat. Qui reversus, a Sancto statim interrogatus cur ocius aufugisset, hoc dedit responsum, ‘Ideo fugi quia nimis pertimui.’ Et post aliquod modicum intervallum, fiducialius agens, audet Sanctum interrogare, inquiens, ‘Numquid hac in hora tibi aliqua formidabilis ostensa visio est?’ Cui Sanctus talem dedit responsionem: ‘Tam terrifica ultio nunc in remota orbis parte peracta est.’ ‘Qualis,’ ait juvenis, ‘vindicta, et in qua regione facta?’ Sanctus tum sic profatur: ‘Sulfurea de coelo flamma super Romani juris civitatem, intra Italiae terminos sitam, hac hora effusa est; triaque ferme millia virorum, excepto matrum puerorumque numero disperierunt.’ Et antequam praesens finiatur annus, Gallici nautae, de Galliarum provinciis adventantes, haec eadem tibi enarrabunt. Quae verba post aliquot menses veridica fuisse sunt comprobata. Nam idem Lugbeus, simul cum sancto viro ad Caput Regionis pergens, nauclerum et nautas adventantis barcae interrogans, sic omnia illa de civitate cum civibus ab eis audit enarrata, quemadmodum a praedicabili viro sunt praedicta.

Did not Martial put it best? "Et delator es et calumniator, et fraudator es et negotiator, et fellator es et lanistra, miror quare non habeas, Grondine, nummos.

[E.P. Grondine]

4. You have to understand the archaeology.

Well, that is a good joke.
The only archaeological problem I have in this region
is getting my "geological specimens" in the mail,
and seeing to it that they get to where they should be.
By the way, they are not my first collection of "geological specimens" from SW Scotland.

Given the era and after much exploration it is clear we are not going to find a 2+2 archaeological find that explains everything -
that doesn't happen in this world.

simon, you are projecting yet once again

I await the excavation results from Scotland and Ireland.
Rheged, Fortiu (home of the Verturiones?),
and the Dal Riada base camp in Ireland.

I am pretty sure those excavation results will explain a whole lot to most sensible people.
Whether those excavation results will explain anything at all to you is highly doubtful.

But something's (for which read "some things") are clear.
There is no evidence for the destruction of any British town by violence and very little as regards to the massive lowland villas.

Except for all of the abandonments, and the re-use of sites by greatly reduced populations.

Even the ballistae bastions are now known to have built largely for show

The only thing "we" now know is this statment's author's
complete ignorance of the role of Britain in the "politics" of the late Roman Empire.

This does not mean there was no violence in Saxon Adventus of course,
but it does seem we are not looking at any form of good ole 20th century genocide.

Well we can agree on that.
From the text records, it appears that
the early Anglo Saxons simply raped the young girls and boys,
and took them as slaves,
along with anyone else they found of use.
It was ONLY the rest of the local populations that they killed off.