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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:44 am
by Minimalist
"We've known that all our lives," said Buzz Gutierrez, a Spokane Indian tribal member who was born and raised just upstream from the traditional encampment. "We can say to the Europeans, 'We've been here longer than you thought.'"
Well.....as they failed to get Kennewick Man re-buried before scientists could examine the bones we don't really know who was living there, do we?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:52 am
by Manystones
Digit wrote:Bribing Blair's crew to stop culling Badgers, for our friends in the states, a large prportion of Badgers in the UK have Bovine TB, which by definition they got from cattle. Cattle with TB are destroyed at a cost of many millions of £s.
The animal rights mob oppose any culling of Badgers and blame the problem on farmers. So the Badgers are left to die drowing in their own blood in the name of animal rights, and of course, before they die they infect other Badgers as well and so keep the whole miserable thing going.
but culling doesn't work anyway does it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5401266.stm
Writing in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team suggests cattle testing and movement controls are a priority.
"The second conclusion is that repeated culling increases the prevalence in badgers - each time you cull, it goes up and up."
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:07 pm
by Beagle
Minimalist wrote:"We've known that all our lives," said Buzz Gutierrez, a Spokane Indian tribal member who was born and raised just upstream from the traditional encampment. "We can say to the Europeans, 'We've been here longer than you thought.'"
Well.....as they failed to get Kennewick Man re-buried before scientists could examine the bones we don't really know who was living there, do we?
Right - I don't think anybody can say who these people were. Kennewick man was found with a spear point in him though so somebody was there who didn't care for him. So I think if they started following the artifact trail south they would find an ancient winter camp. This might be where the bulk of daily living took place.
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:24 pm
by Minimalist
As with almost all human activity one suspects that the truth is far more complex than we have been led to believe.
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:33 pm
by Digit
Sorry Manystones, but those headlines are rubbish! This country already has movement controls and testing, ask any cattle farmer! As for the second comment, the corollary is that no culling would result in the disease dying out
There use to be a similar suggestion, joke wise, in the aircraft industry, that as 4 engines were 4 times as likely to fail as one it would be safer to fly the Atlantic in a single engined aircraft. I don't buy that either.
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:47 pm
by Bruce
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061219/ap_ ... xploration
PONTIAC, Mich. - Scientists hope to learn more about what the Great Lakes' shorelines looked like about 10,000 years ago. They explored a limestone land bridge that went from Alpena to Goderich, Ontario — a distance of about 125 miles — and an underwater forest of petrified trees in Lake Huron.
Clyburn's current film focuses on a sinkhole in Lake Huron about two miles from Alpena near Middle Island. In prehistoric times, the sinkholes were on dry land. Native Americans lived near these sinkholes because they provided water, which attracted game, he said.
This would be kennewicks time period. No mention of any artifacts found.
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:58 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Here's a.pdf with some excellent photos of the Bosque County Man excavation:
http://www.texas-ec.org/publications/do ... cp0107.pdf
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:13 pm
by Beagle
Neat Charlie. That's an interesting mystery. Heres another article on him.
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002007.html
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:11 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Nice article, Beag.
I'm a dummy when it comes to bones, but to my untrained eye, Bosque Man looks as if he has a bit of Erectus, or Archaic Sapien in him.
H. erectus
Bosque Man
This .pdf shows his features a bit better:
http://www.texas-ec.org/publications/do ... cp0107.pdf
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:54 am
by Digit
Come off it! He was one of Columbus's crew!

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:14 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Come off it! He was one of Columbus's crew!
Dang! I missed the Spanish traits! Silly me.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:33 am
by Beagle
I agree with you Charlie, about the archaic homo sapiens appearance on the Bosque man.
Your picture of H.Erectus there has me confused though. I'll need to study that for a bit.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:52 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Your picture of H.Erectus there has me confused though. I'll need to study that for a bit.
What part's throwing you, Bro?
I'd like to learn more.
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:09 am
by Beagle
I just compared that pic against other Erectus images. It does seem to be HE after all but maybe an early one.
Erectus was around a very long time and underwent changes during that time. Your pic just looked a little more archaic to me and I checked it against Habilis.
But the Bosque county man really looks a lot like an archaic HS. Sure seems like this mystery should be more on the front burner. It's hardly ever heard of.
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:20 am
by Charlie Hatchett
But the Bosque county man really looks a lot like an archaic HS. Sure seems like this mystery should be more on the front burner. It's hardly ever heard of.
Right? May explain why it's hard to categorize him, at least under the current races model.

The Wilson-Leonard Lady appears to be of the same stock, though no recontructions have been released, of which I'm aware.