Archaeologica.org

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 082406.php

Neandertals were much more like modern humans than had been previously thought, according to a re-examination of finds from one of the most famous palaeolithic sites in Europe by Bristol University archaeologist, Professor Joao Zilhao, and his French colleagues

From Archaeologica news. It seems this thread has been the place for everything Neanderthal to be posted. We probably should have given the old boy his own thread a long time ago.

The news on him isn't going to stop.

When I warranty a piece of metal I find out how old it is. That's it's point of potential. It may have been worked and reworked from that point in time by numerous sources. you usally only get the start and the last person to work on it. All the evidence in between is lost. Neandertal being a mountian kind of guy probaly spent his time building mtns. Maybe the evidence is right there and we refuse to believe it. Wouldn't it be a kick if neandertal migrated out of america and built pyramids in Bosnia?

You're out to fire up the Bosnians again, aren't you, Bruce?

http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s17722109.htm
Maybe neandertal did'nt come out of africa.
link is'nt working. Article titled Are you part neandertal?
news in science
People of European descent may be 5% neanderthal new dna study shows.
population coming out of Africa 100,000 yrs ago interbred with population not of african descent that had been in europe 400,000 yrs ago.

Bruce, that page does not come up. Maybe you could just tell us a little bit what it says.

Study was published in Plos Genetics

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/perlse ... en.0020105

Determining the evolutionary relationships between fossil hominid groups such as Neanderthals and modern humans has been a question of enduring interest in human evolutionary genetics

Maybe it was this study?

This is it

Neanderthals: Still in Our Genes?
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News


Aug. 22, 2006 — Individuals of European descent may be 5 percent Neanderthal, while West Africans could be related to an archaic human population, according to a recent study of genes of people from Yoruba and individuals living in Utah with ancestry from Northern and Western Europe.


Since both groups spread, the find suggests we all have a bit of archaic DNA in our genes. This counters the view that modern humans left Africa and replaced all other existing hominid populations.




"Instead of a population that left Africa 100,000 years ago and replaced all other archaic human groups, we propose that this population interacted with another population that had been in Europe for much longer, maybe 400,000 years," co-author Vincent Plagnol told Discovery News.


Plagnol, a researcher in the Department of Molecular and Computational Biology at the University of Southern California, and colleague Jeffrey Wall analyzed patterns of ancestral linkage in 135 modern individuals.


Using statistics and computer modeling, they focused on linkage disequilibriums, or sections within genes that did not make sense if only modern human matings were considered. The missing genetic links only fit if some other hominid population was introduced into the model, according to the paper, which was published in PLoS Genetics.


"We considered the data from modern human DNA and fitted a model to explain what we see," explained Plagnol. "We found that a simple model cannot explain the data if we do not add an ‘ancestral population.’ If this population did not cross with modern humans — or almost did not — the effect is too small to explain the data. We find that a rate of 5 percent is what is needed to explain what we see."


The researchers agree with recent studies that concluded Neanderthals did not contribute any mitochondrial DNA — genetic material that is passed from mothers to children. However, they say other portions of the European genome, such as those associated with nuclear DNA, may still harbor the Neanderthal imprint.

Plagnol said different parts of the genome have different ancestry, so an individual could have a fraction of a certain chromosome that was inherited from a Neanderthal, but then possess "very typical homo sapiens mtDNA."


The scientists are not certain what early human group could have contributed to West African DNA, but both Europeans and Africans in the study showed about the same 5 percent archaic contribution. Neanderthals are believed to have originated in Africa around 400,000 years ago, but they left and then settled in Europe, hence the apparent lack of interaction with modern humans in Africa

And a link to the original artical

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/perlse ... en.0020105

Thanks Tech.

This study is the same one I posted on the previous page. If it turns out to be true I'll not be surprised.

But there will be another paper out soon refuting it I'm sure. This is going to take a while. Everybody here knows what I have always thought.

Nothin' to do but wait and see.

When was the archiac period, and who could that other group be?

The archaic period usually refers to Native Americans, so I'm confused.

Bruce if you have an interesting thought regarding Neandertal, we'd love to hear it.

I believe neanderthal is decended from a race of mountian building people, hominid, gorilla, lemurs. They built the mountians to catch clouds and control the weather. I'm new here and I really don't know what you think about this. Are we close?

as i have long held, it is easily apparent to me neanderthal blood runs in the veins of modern europeans. science seems once again to be proving the obvious.

i'm not surprised about the west african blood, either.

the idea that all ancient blood lines went extinct, except for one, never made sense to me.

I believe neanderthal is decended from a race of mountian building people, hominid, gorilla, lemurs. They built the mountians to catch clouds and control the weather. I'm new here and I really don't know what you think about this. Are we close?

Hey, Bruce, this is a new concept to me.

Hey Stan,

It all started at Bandolier. They kept telling me the art was the stick figures on the wall. bought all the art books they had in the visitor center. Started finding all kinds of neandertal looking critters. took it NM arch museum, told me it was shadows and mineral stains. bought geological books and they said it was all nature. nature's been very busy in colorado. bought a camera and scared my family. The oldest date they come up with for the rocky mtns 7 mil yrs. Can't explain an event of how they formed. Researced the andes, same thing. here comes bosnia and they have same date with possible piramid. I think we'll find out when the poles melt. All the geologist's come up with are non-conformitys, uplifts, disappraring rocks, and a bunch of junk that doesn't make sense. Acient lake beds that deposited 3ft. of sandstone blocks at 9,000 ft. just don't make sense.