Bosnian pyramids, photos

[Minimalist]

Don't kid yourselves. PH D's in any given field are as exclusive a 'club' as there is.

[Guest]

True, but you don't need one to be an archaeologist.

[paul68]

"/ what, negative aspects"

What negative aspects? How about his complete lack of formal education in the field of Archeaology? To even be included in a credible dig, you must have AT THE LEAST a B.A. or B.S. degree with a major in anthropology or archaeology and previous field experience. Supervisory positions require a graduate degree, either an M.A./M.S. or a Ph.D. Of which he he has not.


Or perhaps his work touting Aliens and Antlantis as being part of the Mayan cuture? As I said, your'e clueless.






"/ oh, yes of course if you mean bosnian archelogist who are against this excavation, they think this is medival or roman construction, and stechak monuments (this is only in bosnia)"

No, I mean credible internationaly recognized and accepted institutions the world over who are infinitely more qualified to handle and investigate such a supposedly monumental discovery. Said institutions who are involved in almost ANY CREDIBLE investigation in some manner, and for some reason, seem strangely absent for this one. Any ideas why this might be?



"but when archelogist Babich who signed petition against this excavation visited this place this weekend he was convinced that this is not medival or roman construction, and that his is not stechak monuments , and he changed his mind and now he will maybe try help to excavate this, and he was convinced that this excavation was done profesionally"

It would be much easier if you took some time to use spell check, and perhaps an english text or two. Again, you are simply clueless. OPINION an unsubstantiated claims mean absolutely nothing here. You just dont get it, so rather than beat a dead horse, I leave you to your ignorance.

[Minimalist]

In whose opinion?

One of my complaints with science is the increasingly narrow scope of study. We have few renaissance men who can see the big picture. A couple of examples from the medical profession. 40 years ago when I ripped a cartilege in my knee the orthopedist worked in a one man office.
Last summer when my wife cracked an ankle the office had specialists for ankles, knees, shoulders, etc. I kidded her that she was lucky that she did not injure an ankle AND a knee or there would have not been enough room at the operating table for all the specialists!

#2, Again, true story.

A woman I used to work with came into my office one day near tears. Her father was seriously ill so I was used to letting her rant and just listening. Her father had suffered several small strokes and the neurologist directed that he take aspirin every day to reduce the chance of more strokes. Then, he was also diagnosed with stomach cancer. The oncologist told her to discontinue the aspirin because it would increase the bleeding in the stomach.

She told me that she took the oncologists advice back to the neurologist and he told her that in no way should she discontinue the aspirin because the risk of stroke was too great.

When she asked about the stomach bleeding the neurologist basically told her that he couldn't comment on that but could only deal with the strokes. When she went to the oncologist he told her that the strokes were outside of his area of responsibility. Now, for the piece de resistance, NEITHER of the sons-of-bitches would call the other to coordinate the treatment. That's when she came to see me.

The guy is dead now.....lucky for him.

[paul68]

Typical archaeological practices such as post-excavation analysis or scientific publication are absent from the program.

In other words, they simply hired anyone who would come, ignored established procedure, and began diggin in, all the while ignoring at least providing material for peer reveiwal.



From http://www.fena.ba/uk/vijest.html?fena_ ... rubrika=ES

"“These stories about some pyramids of the Sun, Moon are totally unrealistic.......

Namely, the people were still living in caves in the time for which Osmanagic claims that the pyramids were built. Additionally, it is known that this was the time of the Ice Age, when the entire hemisphere was under ice. We have proof on human existence from that time, such as the famous cave Badanj near Stolac. So it is impossible that the man was in such an intellectual state to build something like a pyramid at that time....


At the very location of the dig, as it has been proven archeologically, a settlement old between four to five thousand years is located. A medieval town was built at that location. Below the dig is a cemetery with gravestones. Imamovic stresses that Osmanagic is actually destroying a medieval necropolis, i.e. what he claims to be the plates of the pyramid are actually gravestones."

[Frank Harrist]

In whose opinion?

One of my complaints with science is the increasingly narrow scope of study. We have few renaissance men who can see the big picture. A couple of examples from the medical profession. 40 years ago when I ripped a cartilege in my knee the orthopedist worked in a one man office.
Last summer when my wife cracked an ankle the office had specialists for ankles, knees, shoulders, etc. I kidded her that she was lucky that she did not injure an ankle AND a knee or there would have not been enough room at the operating table for all the specialists!

#2, Again, true story.

A woman I used to work with came into my office one day near tears. Her father was seriously ill so I was used to letting her rant and just listening. Her father had suffered several small strokes and the neurologist directed that he take aspirin every day to reduce the chance of more strokes. Then, he was also diagnosed with stomach cancer. The oncologist told her to discontinue the aspirin because it would increase the bleeding in the stomach.

She told me that she took the oncologists advice back to the neurologist and he told her that in no way should she discontinue the aspirin because the risk of stroke was too great.

When she asked about the stomach bleeding the neurologist basically told her that he couldn't comment on that but could only deal with the strokes. When she went to the oncologist he told her that the strokes were outside of his area of responsibility. Now, for the piece de resistance, NEITHER of the sons-of-bitches would call the other to coordinate the treatment. That's when she came to see me.

The guy is dead now.....lucky for him.

Yes but neither claimed to be able to heal by laying on of hands. I would equate Os to that kind of quack. It's like a mechanic doing surgery on a person and just digging around in there to see what turns up.

[Frank Harrist]

I have more field experience than Os, plus I'm not crazy, but I wouldn't tackle something like this without lots of consultation and lots of professional help there with me. (I know I do need professional help)

[Minimalist]

OK. Everyone's entitled to an opinion...(unless it's bible based!)

I just think that mavericks are useful for keeping the professionals honest.

I admit that I would love for him to unearth a sign that says "Welcome to Atlantis" just to watch the mainstream archaeological community have to scamper around and protect their ivy-covered asses.

But that's just me.

[stan]

The problem with Oz is that he is in charge of the dig, in cahoots with
some (gag) politicians! I smell corruption.

He is going to find something. But it is possible (or probable) that whatever it is, he will distort and manipulate the findings, and prevent access by any disinterested or objective parties to verify things.

He will control the information that comes out of the findings, and even though there may be some pictures for us to look at, that will not be
enough ro really evaluate what is there. He can hide evidence, as some say he has already done...(the skeletons), and he may even commit some kind of fraud against the evidence to bolster his reputation.

I hope he finds something wonderful, but the haphazard process
will probably degrade it before we can really evaluate it.

[Guest]

OK. Everyone's entitled to an opinion...(unless it's bible based!)

always the instigator.

well here is my Bible based opinion---the man(Os) is a quack .

seriously, i went through most of the pictures again, and saw one with what was said to hold 'mystical writing' (words by ciko). that tablet looked so worn, how can they be sure it isn't some ancient language of a language at all?

next, that started me to wondering about where are all the ancient documents that would talk about this 'pyramid'? in egypt, there were inscriptions on the walls and tablets found outside the structures and in the mayan community there were the same.

but here in bosnia, we are asked to accept this theory without one shred of corroborating documents or explanations. where did this idea of a pyramid come from and where are the ancient inscriptions describing the builders, the purpose, and so on???

i hope i haven't missed their being mentioned previously but i have read all the other replies basically and i do not recall any discussion of such items.

[Minimalist]

OK. Everyone's entitled to an opinion...(unless it's bible based!)

always the instigator.



well here is my Bible based opinion---the man(Os) is a quack .

I feel the same way about the entire clergy.

seriously, i went through most of the pictures again, and saw one with what was said to hold 'mystical writing' (words by ciko). that tablet looked so worn, how can they be sure it isn't some ancient language of a language at all?

next, that started me to wondering about where are all the ancient documents that would talk about this 'pyramid'? in egypt, there were inscriptions on the walls and tablets found outside the structures and in the mayan community there were the same.

Actually, as I understand it, even Egyptologists admit that there is virtually no information about the Giza pyramids. True, later pyramids were extensively decorated but the 3 Giza pyramids have all the ornamentation of a subway tunnel.

but here in bosnia, we are asked to accept this theory without one shred of corroborating documents or explanations. where did this idea of a pyramid come from and where are the ancient inscriptions describing the builders, the purpose, and so on???

[Guest]

I feel the same way about the entire clergy.

some are and it is sad.

Actually, as I understand it, even Egyptologists admit that there is virtually no information about the Giza pyramids

links please.

even the sphinx had a monument beside it to give a little bit of information.

[Minimalist]

Here's Robert Bauval on the Sphinx....I'll get around to the Giza Pyramids when I have the time.

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/ritson/que ... /index.htm

West knew, of course, that most Egyptologists believed that the Sphinx was built in 2500 BC in the time of the pharaoh Chephren (of Khafre), who is identified with the Second Pyramid at Giza. He also knew that this belief was now so entrenched that it would take an intellectual bulldozer to tug it out. Yet his study had shown him that this believe was more a dogma than any-thing else. He asked himself if a proof-positive identification between Khafre and the Sphinx would stand in an 'open court' under public scrutiny?

The answer was no. The reason was, quite simply, this. There was no inscriptions - not a single one - either carved on a wall or a stela or written on the throngs of papyri that identified Khafre (or anyone else, for that matter) with the construction of the Sphinx and its nearby temples. As for the proximity of Khafre's pyramid to the Sphinx (in fact it is 1700 feet away) this did not prove that both monuments were built as one complex nor, more relevantly, at the same epoch. By such standards future generations of archaeologists may one day allocate ownership of the Sphinx to the builder of the Sound & Light theatre because of its proximity to the Sphinx complex or - as someone else has put it - attribute St. Paul's Cathedral to General Gordon of Khartoum just because his statue was found in it. In short, Khafre may well be the quintessential 'Kilroy was here' of antiquity. So could the Sphinx be much older than the reign of Khafre, as West had long suspected it was? Could this hypothesis explain, for example, the strange vertical weathering on the statue?

[Guest]

There was no inscriptions - not a single one - either carved on a wall or a stela or written on the throngs of papyri that identified Khafre

the last i heard was that a stele was found between or around the feet of the sphynx that gave some information. the name was partially missing on it...

The vertical weathering patterns on the Sphinx and its enclosure, Schoch argued, were not caused by wind effect, as had previously been thought, but by water - water from torrential rains and pouring down in sheets over these ancient structures. But how could this be? Was Schoch saying that such heavy rains only fell on the Sphinx area but nowhere else at Giza?

i did find this interesting and would explore it if this was some real scholarly website.

[Ciko]

Answer to the critics
May 2 2006 Answer to the critics

People keep going to Visoko to help and be part of this unique and gigantic project. This discovery has already changed the image we all have from Bosnia.
There are great people working together hand in hand, with shovel and brush cleaning stones from aeons of dirt, bringing forth a culture with achievements we cannot even image, let alone copy.

No wonder the mainstream archaeologists cannot accept the fact that there is a pyramid under our feet. Built from scratch. With huge breccia stone-plates, neatly put together, over various layers of enormous stoneblocks. A pyramid of 220m height, being the tallest man made construction in the world – so far.
Made by people who did not leave us a written note about it.

The mainstream archaeologists claim their right to investigate the place for Illyrian remains, before this “wild excavation of Mr.O” is allowed to destroy the roman ruins and medieval walls.

Pls.come to Visoko and check yourself that everything is documented carefully. There is a live camera on site for your convenience! And once you are in Visoko pls. go to the local museum. Director Senad will be more than happy to show you hundreds of boxes filled with 24.000 pieces of archaeological excavation done by the german university of Kiel in 2005 in Okoliste near Visoko (see link below for further investigation). The boxes fill the hallway of the museum and need to be analized, documented, mapped, screened and put together. This is the time and place to show your concern, if you really mean it. At least 24.000 objects have been rescued for your qualified studies.

Posted by Gabriela Lukacs, first volunteer in Visoko 11 April 2006


Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel

http://pyramidsofbosnia.blogspot.com/