Towers points to ancient Sun cult

[Forum Monk]

WOMAN
---------
MAN
--------- = Excellent
WOMAN

Good, now, since division is the same as multiplying by the inverse, this expression can be simplied to:

WOMAN x WOMAN
---------------------
........MAN


Since Cogs brought up Daniken, I thought it worthwhile to mention some other esoteric expressions:

ORION
-------- = BAUVAL
DIMARYP

or conversely

NOIRO
---------- = BAUVAL
PYRAMID

NIBIRU
--------- = HANCOCK
EARTH

NIBIRU + 2012 = THE END

[marduk]

HANCOCK
-------- = CRAP
DANIKEN

BAUVAL
-------- = CRAP
HANOCK

DANIKEN
-------- = CRAP
BAUVAL

aha a universal constant

[Cognito]

Crap, being a Universal Constant, certain explains the Orion Mystery.

[Forum Monk]

aha a universal constant

Excellent work. And CRAP was used as a place holder until the zero came along.

Grade: A+

You graduated early!
You other students will have to catch up on your own time.

[marduk]

Crap, being a Universal Constant, certain explains the Orion Mystery

and in fact any mystery which aligns pyramids with any astral object other than the Sun

[Digit]

I don't know if you are right or wrong about stone circles Marduk, but it's refreshing to get away from the sun/moon worship line. At least you seem to be approaching the matter in a way that seems to be reasonable to me and trying to ask what the builders thought about their work, not we think about it. I still think the idea of a calendar to farm by is total BS.

[Minimalist]

I hate math.

[marduk]

At least you seem to be approaching the matter in a way that seems to be reasonable to me and trying to ask what the builders thought about their work

well the stone circles in the Uk all seem to be built in areas that make me think they are all somehow connected to each other and not to the sun and moon so much
any circular monument is going to have alignments to points of light that revolve in the sky however because all these sites show a common alignement to the northeast they must have used somethging in the sky to make sure they built them facing a certain direction

I have visited quite a large number of them and the most common feature I have noticed is a modern one and its this

seems that modern cartographers have found the placing of these ancient monuments are a great reference point for making modern maps and charts
the last three sites I visited all had one very nearby
thats stonehenge avebury and danebury
the one at danebury has a plaque on the top that shows the location of other ancient sites nearby which I found extremely very interesting
so i took this picture

you have the same thing going on between avebury and stonehenge and uffington which can all be seen from the top of silbury hill as if somehow line of sight was important to the ancients who built all these structures and of course are the only ones who knew why

from the arrangement it makes it look as if Danebury was the centre of a compass which marked out the rest of an ancient landscape of ancient sites which are all somehow connected to each other. which is odd, because Danebury is an iron age site and the others are all neolithic. the same thing occours again where you have the iron age hill fort known as uffington castle overlooking the white horse on the top of uffignton hill
as if the sites that the forts were built were the key to the sites that date from the neolithic. or as if they were built on top of ancient sites that were there before them as they had been viallages that were continually inhabited from their inception

so what you have basically are defensive positions which are aligned with each other and with the ancient circle sites
the same materials are constantly used in the construction of each (sarsens and chalk) and they can all be seen from a central site located near to each of them. which funnily enough is always a high point in the landscape as they are at danebury and silbury. Seems the height was very important at silbruy because when the builders found there was no hill close to where they needed one they built their own. this must have been for some precise reason because just nearby to silbury there is another hill on which is built west kennet passage tomb which is regarded as the best preserved example of its kind in the entire country


so anyone who can figure out what purpose the following have in common can solve this ancient mystery
1) geographically exact positions of ancient sites
2) line of sight between then
3) seperately positioned by stellar observation
4) triangulation points for modern maps
5) common construction
6) long running local undestanding of their purpose forgotten with the advent of christianity

obviously
im buggered if I know

[Digit]

What beats me Marduk is why anybody would use that much effort to record the passage of time of solar events etc, that could be achieved without that much effort. If for a ceremonial purpose then yes, based on other ceremonial/religious edifices, man will do that, but a calendar?
A decent proper sundial would achieve the same result.

[marduk]

well maybe thats why they put those trig pillars near all those sites then Roy
they were using them as sun dials

[Beagle]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 030107.php

Focusing on the Andes and the Incan empire, we have known for decades from archeological artifacts and documents that they practiced what is called solar horizon astronomy, which uses the rising and setting positions of the sun in the horizon to determine the time of the year," said Ghezzi. "We knew that Inca practices of astronomy were very sophisticated and that they used buildings as a form of "landscape timekeeping" to mark the positions of the sun on key dates of the year, but we did not know that these practices were so old."

According to archival texts, "sun pillars" standing on the horizon near Cusco were used to mark planting times and regulate seasonal observances, but have vanished and their precise location remains unknown. In this report, the model of Inca astronomy, based almost exclusively in the texts, is fleshed out with a wealth of archaeological and archaeo-astronomical evidence.

Additional news on Chankillo.

[FreeThinker]

Hey there Digit,

You are of course right that the ancients did not need giant stone structures to tell them when to plant. Those mega-sundials were more about cultural grandure and sophistication than practical timepieces. I am sure religious practices were invoked as well. I bet they had far less labor intensive ways of keeping track of how far along in a year they were.

Farmers do plant by calendars in many ways. If you dont have your seed in by a certain time it wont reach maturity by harvest. Likewise, especially with larger scale agriculture that takes days or weeks to harvest, you can't wait until the frost hits or whatever to get started. Then you would be too late. Seasons not being rigid (some winters drag on, some falls come early) are not a reliable gauges of when to plant or harvest. Plants reach maturity based more on hours of daylight than temperature changes, therefore a system of counting days is needed to be sure of planting times.

My point was simply that with the advent of agriculture we had a real need to keep accurate track of the days of a year, far more than a hunter-gatherer society. It is no accident that the building of these giant stone sundials happens only after agriculture has been adopted.

k, back to work....

[Digit]

WORK! Aaaagh!
I take what you say FT but it breaks down, in my opinion, as do all statements for an agriultural base on one rather obvious point. There were far more people practicing agriculture than there are megalithic structures of the age of Stonehenge for example.
Churches and cathedrals exist where the majority practice Christianity, the same for Mosques, Hindu temples, Buddist temples and Shinto temples.
As the Henge type of structure is specific to western Europe, as the Shinto temple is to Japan, I still think the logical view must be that a religious/ceremonial use is the more logical explanation.
Marduk has been hammering at me on the 'Grave goods' thread about speculation being unacceptable, but I see no other way of attempting to enter the minds of the people who built these things. The very fact that they exist and we are not sure why, indicates that they MAY have thought about things in a way that was different to ours. Therefore I hope others will speculate also.

[Forum Monk]

For the longest time I was convinced these structures were calendars designed to mark seasons, months, you name it. But now I am seeing your point Digit (and I suppose others who have said it also). But my question is this, was early agriculture a family affair (ma and pa scratching the earth to feed the family) or a community affair with large gardens intended to feed the village? If the former, you're correct, most people did not have benefit of a backyard observatory. If the latter, well, it still coulda been a calendar.

[Minimalist]

Probably more like "Extended Families" rather than just single family farms.